067 | How to Have Healthy Boundaries with Recreational Psychedelics + Harm Reduction Tips
“Why I appreciate the rave community so much is that in general people are pretty responsible and know their stuff. You have to, if you wanna be safe. That psycho-education is like non-negotiable for anyone.”
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This episode will inspire any one who wants to keep partying that it can be done in an energizing and fulfilling way. It's time to shed light on conscious, intentional and powerful party experiences! We talk about set, setting, integration, intention setting, and everything else to consider for grooving with psychedelics.
There is NOTHING WRONG with partying with psychedelics. Nothing. Not a thing. However, we are dealing with subtances and spaces that can be easily abused, so there is a lot to keep in mind when engaging with psychedelics in this way. In today's episode, I am sharing the boundaries that I have created for myself to keep my recreational psychedelic containers healthy and energizing. I encourage anyone who engages in recreational contains to do the same.
Kev is joining me today to add some colorful commentary, and his take as a professional partier. We both share our top tips for festival self-care, harm reduction, safety, and of course, fun. This is a really really fun episode to tune into, truly a conversation between two friends; enjoy it!
Topics Covered:
Recreational psychedelics to enhance the good, not numb the bad
Maintaining other hobbies & relationships outside of raving
Weakening the connection between electronic music and substances
Determining how and when to try and new substance
Having a “substance plan,” knowing interactions and dosages
Basic psycho-education for recreational substances
Wellness and supplementation practices
Creating party intentions for a meaningful experiences
Contributing to a culture of care & consent
How to be responsible & harm reduction as a safety net
Debriefing and reflecting on parties as integration
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“You can’t just take for granted that harm reduction is there and just go get sloppy. You still need to take responsibility for yourself It’s a safety net. It’s there for you, but you don’t need to jump right into the safety net.”
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Things Mentioned in This Episode:
“I love treating recreational spaces as a place of self-discover; to unlock what lies beneath the parts that I usually don’t have the environment and setting to freely explore.”
Where to find Kevin G:
Kevin is a curious and creative guy trying to party his way to a better life. He is the creative directer at his media company, FWI Media and works on his passion project PRTY NWS, on the side. He is also the video producer at Modern Psychedelics.
Looking for a professional coach to support you on your psychedelic path?
Look no further! Along with being the host of the Modern Psychedelics Podcast, Lana is a 3x certified professional coach who works with people on the psychedelic path.
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Lana: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. Welcome back. We're gonna have a really fun conversation today. We're continuing the recreational psychedelics series here, which I hope you guys are enjoying. I'm here with Kev.
Kev: We're
up. What up fam?
Lana: do you wanna just introduce people yourself to people?
Kev: Yeah. Uh, my name is Kev G and I am a, uh, semi-professional partier. Uh, uh, it's, it's part of my life
Lana: Ken Vouch?
Kev: Yes, Ken Vouch. Um, the semi-professional part is not true, but I do take it serious. Um, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a creative professional, but I also like to have fun and, uh, yeah. I really, I take, I take fun seriously. And I think that's what we're, we've bonded over.
Lana: Yes. You've brought out so much fun inside of me that just like wanted to come out and I'm so grateful for that.
And it's crazy that we've only known each other for a year. Like we became such good friends so fast and we're working together now. So for people [00:01:00] listening, Kev is video producing the podcast?
Kev: Yep. Yeah. Me and the team at Film With Integrity are, uh, are upleveling the production on Lana's show and yeah. Helping it, helping it reach your ears with maximum velocity.
Lana: Yes. That's why it's been sounding and looking so good. And how are you enjoying it?
Kev: Uh, I enjoy it very much. Yes. Uh, yeah. Well, I mean, it's part of our credo, like this, the whole reason I got into making media was to put out messages that I wanted.
That I support into the world. So like, yeah, like learning about your show. Um, and when I approached you to like, help produce it, I was like, this is mission oriented work for me. So I'm enjoying it very much.
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Yeah. Thank you for trusting in, uh, in us and in and in me.
Lana: Thank you for trusting in the podcast and in me faith.
Kev: I have faith.
Lana: Yeah. So I am really stoked for our conversation today. We're gonna be talking about, [00:02:00] yeah, just taking this journey of recreational psychedelics deeper. Uh, this was triggered by me having a coaching session about a year and a bit ago with my coach, where I was like, just starting to get back into recreational psychedelics and recreational spaces and.
I was coming from a time where I had done a lot of healing, but before then I was partying and I, I was in recreational settings a lot, but in really unhealthy ways. And I wanted to get like really clear around how I wanna treat these recreational experiences and create boundaries. So I worked with my coach to create these like list of boundaries.
So we're gonna have a conversation today about how to have like, really healthy boundaries to make the most out of these spaces. And then also we're gonna get into some tips for keeping things safe and fun.
So's get into it. Yeah.
Kev: Love that.
Love that for us.
Lana: Yeah. I, I [00:03:00] really think there's like a way to enjoy recreational spaces.
Kev: Well, I, the b the idea of boundaries, it's like, it's like outlining your playpen. It's like if you didn't have boundaries, what do you have? You just have infinite, void in all directions. And I mean, that might sound fun, but like, there's also like, There's limits, you know, and it's, it's almost like you're, if you're skiing, like, you know, if you're on a hill, like the trees are your boundaries.
Mm-hmm. Like go around the trees. Yeah. Other, otherwise you're gonna hit them shits like Sonny Bono.
Lana: Yeah. That's a great way to think about it. Like what, what's kind of like the, the, the playin the gate, the, the walls of how you wanna experience these spaces. And I think just taking the time to like even think about boundaries and how you wanna approach these spaces, bring so much intentionality to them.
And as we know, intention is so important with psychedelics, no matter what setting you're in.
Kev: For sure. And like, even, [00:04:00] even as you're saying, like, creating spaces and, and like boundaries don't have to be restrictive. Like they, they, they aren't restrictive if you treat them right. Like, even if you want to have a big wild night of like infinite possibility, like there's still boundaries there.
Like, are you gonna commit a felony? Are you gonna do harm to another? Are you gonna like, intentionally get yourself like physically harmed? Like no, of course not. So there's some boundaries and they, they enable the fun.
Lana: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they, they allow the fun to take place in a safe way that doesn't drain your energy in life.
Like, my goal is to integrate these experiences with the rest of my life, right? So how can I do that in a way that like, supports everything that I'm doing so that my life doesn't just get consumed by partying?
Kev: Yeah, for sure. And, and like, not even just like, not drain you, but energize
Lana: you. Yes.
Kev: Like what does an energizing party experience look like?
Lana: like base coast. Base coast. [00:05:00] Yeah. Yeah. So we just had a really amazing festival experience at Base Coast in BC together like a month ago. And I remember when we came back like, I don't know about you, but I was so energized. I was definitely sporting that afterglow. Like it just like filled me up and.
Every way. And I think that's because I respected my own boundaries and I played within them.
Kev: Mm. Yeah. Was it the O L G? Uh, their slogan? Know Your Limits Play within
Lana: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We can borrow that. Yeah. Yeah. So let's get into some of these. Um, I'm gonna share like what I came up with, and then Kev
Kev: Yeah.
I'll, yeah.
Color commentate.
Lana: Yeah. Which you're great at. So the number one thing that I set out for myself was this is something that is meant to enhance already good things in my life. So by that I mean, I don't wanna go to recreational spaces. [00:06:00] To make myself feel better if I'm going through a challenging time.
I've done that before, and these spaces were not the place for me to lean on for that kind of support. So I'm just like really mindful before a party, before a festival, like how I'm feeling, what I'm going through. Is there any hint of like, wanting to numb something uncomfortable? So just having like some awareness around that?
Kev: Yeah. Good vibes only in a way. I mean not, but like starting, starting out, starting out. Positive, like aiming, aiming, going towards not running away from Is, is important. Yeah. Doesn't mean if you're, if you're, if you're having experience, I mean you're setting off on a journey and, and especially if you use a substance, it's gonna accelerate that journey in any number of ways.
And it's, it's important to reflect on whether you are wanting to go to somewhere or away from somewhere.
And
if you're, and, and if you realize that all you're gonna go away from [00:07:00] somewhere if you're trying to run away, hide, escape, you know, like, and hey, it's tricky 'cause like escaping escapism is normalized.
In society, like there's like part of some festival's, branding is like, escape from your regular life. Like escape to this wonderland. And it's, you know, it's not, it's not healthy to escape. That's, that's like the beginning of like poor substance relationships.
Lana: Yeah. And I think like back in the day when I did not have healthy relationships with recreational spaces, and by that I mean I was literally like wanting to escape my life and numb.
And that was the only fun thing in my life that I could go towards. Um, Like, I just, I didn't even have the awareness that I was doing that until after when I had time to reflect on it.
Kev: Yeah. The, the, the, the party or the, the substance was like a coping mechanism[00:08:00]
For like anxiety or fear.
Yeah. Boredom.
Lana: Yeah. And I totally had like substance abuse with certain things. Mm-hmm. And I'm grateful that I went through that, but I, I definitely learn from it and I don't wanna approach parties with that energy anymore.
Kev: Mm.
Lana: Yeah. And then one of the other ones that I have here is
recreational is strictly recreational.
So for me that just means like, I just keep it out of the work zone. Personally. I know there can be like, um, ways to enhance creativity and productivity
Kev: and, oh, you're, you're talking
Lana: Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Substance like
Kev: Because mindset is like the recreational mindset, like fun, fun, party mode, mindset can, can definitely like boost
Lana: Oh yes. Work you. Yeah, yeah. Like
Kev: work and party, but Yeah. But you're saying like substances, you're, you don't mix work with [00:09:00] Any, which substances do you mix work with?
Lana: microdosing yeah. Mushrooms.
Yeah. But to me that's not like a recreational thing.
Mm-hmm. Right.
Kev: That's so interesting.
'cause it's like, so that substance and like mindset, 'cause your mushroom microdose or, or L S D M I think you've mentioned, you've Yeah. You've done both. Um, that's, that's a work thing. Mm-hmm. Or, and it can be a work thing. Yeah. Um, some people, I mean, hey, just last weekend I was at a festival. I microdosed on both of those things and it was, it was party mode.
Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's important to like discern substance from Yeah. Setting, I guess.
So your recreational substances are, are not to be mixed with work mode for you.
Lana: Yeah. I mean if we're, maybe if we're doing party news at a festival,
Kev: yes.
Lana: I think with this one, my intention behind this boundary was like, to keep in mind that like work is always my [00:10:00] priority and like to always be thinking about like, I have clients that I need to show up for, I have to be in shape to, you know, do what I do
Kev: I think what Right. For for your work. Yeah. I think what I'm hearing there is that like your substance, um, you're keeping like work separate from party, um, and, and then the intention you use a substance with is, is going to be different when you're partying versus when you're doing your work.
And that's a healthy boundary to help you have like com compartmentalization. Yeah. Yeah. That's great.
Lana: Yeah. Yeah. Anything else you wanna add to that? How do you,
Kev: I mean, I've got a different, I mean, everyone has a different relationship to, to substances and I think like, it's, it's definitely important not to like just party while you work, you know?
Um, but I also, I mean my life is different in that I, I'm trying to incorporate. [00:11:00] Um, so many elements of party mindset into my life. And so like, I mean, what, what does it mean to party? Mm-hmm. Is it that you are, um, like living free, like trying to live your best life? Is it that you are like, um, outward, outwardly expressing joy or like encouraging others?
Are you more playful? Are you like joking around? Is there shenanigans involved? Like, you know, like a lot of that stuff, I mean, geez, I could use a lot of that in my day to day. Mm-hmm. I'd love to be like that at work, but still task oriented. I mean, hey, when I party, I'm task oriented too. Yeah. And we've had a, we had a bunch of missions at Base Coast.
I
Lana: so many errands.
Kev: I like to do stuff when I party. I get kind of bored if I don't have a mission.
Lana: the resources. Protect the
Kev: resources. Yeah. I like to stash little stuff around little hammock zones and stuff. Yeah. The resources are important.
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: [00:12:00] Um, but yeah, I, I mean, if you're aware of the, the boundaries, whether they're really fixed, like it sounds like they are for you or whether they're, they're fluid like they are.
For me, it's important to be aware. Yeah. So it doesn't tip.
Lana: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like for both of the work that we do, like substances, psychedelics are like a huge part of what we do. So I think like having some sort of boundary around that is really important. And I think that leads into my next point here, which is that the partying, the recreational stuff just can't get in the way of work and life and responsibilities and family.
I've had, and like, this is the thing about boundaries. Like they're so personal to us. These come from me. Having a previous relationship with this stuff that wasn't healthy. So these are the boundaries that I have created for myself to keep it healthy. So like that's always number one. Like partying is not my number one priority in life.
Like, yes, having fun is really important, but it [00:13:00] cannot get in the way of my other responsibility. So I'm always keeping like such a watchful eye on myself after a festival, after a party. Like, okay, how am I showing up for work? How am I showing up for my family? How am I showing up in my relationships?
Like, is this, did I push it too hard to the point where I need to pull back a little bit so that it's not affecting the rest of my life?
Kev: Hmm. That reminds me of a great phrase I used to keep myself in check with, just like work and life in general is like, um, the idea of not work life balance, but work life rhythm.
Lana: Ooh. And
Kev: And what is the rhythm? What is the cadence of your work in your life? How do they interplay? Yeah. Yeah.
Love that.
Lana: yeah. I think I found a really cool rhythm recently, where it is playing and it is working and I'm like really finding my way. And I believe that's possible for everyone. Again, coming from someone who was like over consumed by partying and like, would go back to school on a Monday and I just like [00:14:00] wasn't able to do my work 'cause I went too hard.
I was doing the wrong substances for me. I wasn't following any sort of intentionality with it.
Kev: And,
and, and I know that at the time you would've called that partying, but I almost would wanna like put a la like a, um, a label on it, um, to give it a bit more of a fun, like a nuance. 'cause like partying broadly doesn't have to make you suck at school.
Like it may have been like unconscious partying or like overindulgent partying
Lana: Well, it was numbing,
Kev: partying and numbing and escapism. Mm-hmm.
Lana: It's like a really hard time in life and I just didn't have any other tools. I had nothing.
Kev: I love that. I, uh, I wonder, is there anything, are there any insights that you have from, um,
like integration after all of your, like medicine work that has helped you with the process of like, integrating a festival experience?
I mean, they're both journeys and so like, is there, are there any similarities or, or hacks that you've found doing integration [00:15:00] work for both of those? Yeah,
Lana: I think like one of the points we're gonna mention later is just like, exactly that, like debriefing, like we always talk about like after a party at the end I'm always like, let's go have a debrief.
Like let's go get some food and do a debrief. I think like doing like the party debrief with your friends.
Kev: just, I'm just recalling a debrief we had in an Uber once. Do you remember
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: after? Yeah. And we were just like
Lana: the debrief is key.
Kev: Yeah. The debrief is key. Even if you just find some key themes and say them out loud.
Lana: Yeah. That's the start of that integration process.
Like what happened? What did you like, what did you not like? What did you learn about yourself? Like how was the dancing, how was the music? Yeah. Um, that's the start
Kev: to remember. Yeah. Next time bring more cash. I don't
Lana: Yeah. Yeah.
Kev: cash is king.
Lana: Don't lose your vic stick.
Kev: Don't lose your vick stick. Don't stick it in your vic.
Lana: Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, let's, we'll definitely revisit that topic. 'cause I think that's, that's, that is [00:16:00] part of keeping the spaces
Kev: Mm-hmm. the integration. Mm-hmm.
Love that.
Lana: Yeah. Okay. Cool. Um, so the other point I have here is to maintain other hobbies and interests
Kev: that's contentious.
Lana: Right.
And it all bleeds into each other,
Kev: unless you're a dj.
Lana: yeah. Uh, Yeah. But like all of us are multifaceted. Like I'm sure even DJs have other interests and hobbies outside of the dance floor. Right? Like I really am intentional to explore my other hobbies and interests. Like I really don't want, like partying and raving is so much fun that it's so easy to just like become about that and like fully about that and all about that.
And again, I've been there before, so I have like so many other hobbies unrelated, like, like I've been sewing a lot recently. Okay. And I make like some rave clothes. Cool. But, so it's [00:17:00] kind of connected, but just like maintaining other hobbies and interests. So like sewing and reading and exercise or yoga, whatever, but just like making sure that I'm remaining the multifaceted person that I am.
Kev: Mm-hmm.
Balance and synergy is, is a big one for me when I'm thinking about the, the activities that make up my life.
'cause I, you know, the way that you maybe make, make clothes and then, but you're also making rave clothes.
Like
some of the hobbies I have relate to the way I do. I mean, party news is a, like media project I have that is born out of my like creative urge to document. And then when I'm in a party setting, I'm still getting that creative urge so I'm just leaning towards it and um, utilizing it in that space.
So there's crossover there. You know, I don't have a strict boundary where I'm like, I'm not going to touch a camera or a notepad when I'm in party mode.
Lana: De Yeah, definitely
Kev: [00:18:00] It's like that fuels it
actually.
Lana: Yeah. And this is the thing, like, we're talking about that rhythm and like how it can work with your life and integrate into your life, but in a healthy
Kev: Sure, sure. Yeah. And like, yeah, maybe three or four or five things can all work together, but some, sometime you'll have to fade one of those layers out and bring in the, you know, family time. Like maybe your family like really doesn't get party mode and that's fine.
You just need to be in a different state of mind to connect with those people and yeah, that's perfectly fine.
Lana: Yeah. And on that note, it's also like so important to maintain all your relationships.
'cause I think when you get like deep into the rave culture as we are, it's like really tempting to just surround yourself with those
Kev: Yeah.
Lana: And for me it's really important to like also connect with like my other friends who aren't into that, just to like Yeah. To, to keep that connection open and keep that diversity, that multidimensionality of who we
Kev: Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a great tip. Even just for like, [00:19:00] life is to like, keep a broad network of friends and acquaintances
Lana: As long as it feels like authentic and good. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. It's not being forced. Yeah. So,
Maintain other hobbies and interests. That's
Kev: Maintain other hobbies and
Lana: really important to me.
Kev: I'm learning a lot about you, Lana.
Lana: Yay.
Kev: I learned that you sow.
Lana: Yeah. I can't believe you didn't know that. I'm gonna have to sew you like something.
Kev: Can you sew me a
a,
uh, a hat?
Lana: A hat? I haven't done a hat yet.
Kev: Maybe, maybe a cool hood or something.
Lana: I've seen bucket hat patterns, so Yeah.
Kev: Dealer's
Lana: Yeah, yeah,
We can do some like party news bucket hats
Kev: Yeah. Okay. There we go.
Lana: Yeah. Okay. Cool. Okay, so my next point is to space out events. So for example, not going out two weekends in a row. I will say that I've been way more lenient about this in the summer, 'cause it's summer and it's fun and there's just so much going on.[00:20:00]
Um, but just like, yeah, just being mindful to not like, This goes along with the last point of maintaining other hobbies and just like also having space for things that aren't partying, things that aren't like recreational psychedelics. And like keeping the parties kind of like spaced out I find really helps.
And when we were at the last D O C D event, I remember, one of our friends, like we had just come back from base coast and he was like, he said something that really stuck, stood out to me that
we were just like, kind of at the back, like looking at the, the party, which was so fun and great and he was like, you know, if, like, if you're ever at one of these events and it feels like it's not special anymore, it's time to step back because this is special.
And I think that goes really well with this, with this point. Like, you wanna keep it special. You don't wanna keep it so that it's just like part of your routine and just like something that you're doing. On default because it's what you do. Right? Like keeping it special.
Kev: I love [00:21:00] that. I, I would, I would say that a great phrasing would be to just pace yourself. Yeah. And whatever that means for you. 'cause uh, you know, if it's every couple weekends or once a month, um, and I think it depends on how you party too. 'cause like, for example, um, in the last year or so, I've been, I've seen more sunrises in the last 365 days of my life than I have the first I.
I'm 34 now, like in the first 33 years of my, like, I haven't like combined, I've seen more sunrises And so like I'm sending it like all night a lot of the time. Like not necessarily on purpose, but like my boundary of like, it's two o'clock, it's time to go home. It doesn't apply. Like I haven't really had thinking about that.
And uh, you know, it's a combination of factors. The people I'm around don't really have bedtimes, you know, so like when I party, I'm actually skipping a night of sleep or I'm moving it [00:22:00] later. I'm sleeping from 6:00 AM to 12:00 PM and, um, you know, anyone who's done shift work will tell you like, you know, moving your circadian rhythm is quite difficult and it can have lasting
negative impacts, yeah.
I guess all of that is to say is that if you're, if you're partying till sunrise every weekend, that's like a different case than if you're like, you know, checking out an event from six to midnight every weekend and you're not going crazy with any substances and you know you can maintain that pace.
Yeah. Better than if you're going
Lana: yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we had like once a month rave club.
Kev: once a month, rave club
Lana: winter. Because I think that is like in the winter, your energy's completely different. Like, I don't know about you, but I'm like much more in work mode, like hibernation mode so that like once a month sunrise and party like just hits the spot.
Yeah. It's just, it's nice.
Kev: Once a month's. A great, great
Lana: Yeah. Following your energy following the [00:23:00] season. Like summer is high energy, summer is high energy summer is go, go, go. So it just makes sense that like you're more
Kev: Yeah. I mean, we're coming at you from Toronto and like it's very winter when it's, when it's winter.
It's winter for
Lana: six months.
Kev: Yeah, six months. You can't go outside in a t-shirt. So like that means half the year you're kind of like energy managing based on weather. Yeah. I mean, shit. I don't know what my life would be like if I was in like Portland or you know, California, LA Like every day is a summer day.
I don't know. I hear, I hear that people just lose track of time. Anyone who's from, from California and who party, just let us know what it's like to live that way.
Lana: Yeah. Yeah. 'cause you don't wanna go out in the winter when it's cold.
Kev: Ah, you don't wanna, I don't wanna deal with coat check.
Lana: yeah, yeah. So I think, I think this point's like about energy management and following your energy,
Kev: Yeah. Pace. Pace yourself, whatever, whatever that means at in, in whatever phase of life
Lana: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, [00:24:00] um, this is kind of a weird one, but I actually really like it. Um, just because like the connection between electronic music and drugs is just so strong in these party settings. I, I have this. I dunno if it's a boundary, but I have it here just to continue to enjoy music sober, um, to kind of like weaken that link and connection so that it's not like, oh, I can only enjoy this music.
Or like, this is so connected to me that like it needs to go hand in hand with substances. So for me that's like, that's like, yeah, like I'll just like throw on some music at home and dance to it. Or like listening to music in the car, finding new artists, maybe even going to a show or an event and like, not, not, maybe not fully sober, but like not fully sending it too.
Kev: I, I think doing that is a great way to get the most mileage out of your experience. Like any like transcendent or like high [00:25:00] watermark, like Wowza experiences you have when you're partying of any kind.
Like try to access that feeling again using different elements of the setting you were in, but not the same like physical state. And see if you can get there or see if you can just still enjoy it. Yeah.
Lana: Or have a experience it in a different way.
Kev: Yeah. Yeah. Another angle. Revisit that song that really got you so
Lana: Yes.
Kev: Yes. And see if it still gets you. Yeah. There's a couple of songs, man. There's a couple of Z dead tunes that if I put on, I can always feel the same feeling. Yeah. That I felt the first time.
And like, I, I, it's like those experiences create shortcuts in your brain and you can access that state just by playing the music.
Mm-hmm. And like, to me that's magic. 'cause like, I don't have to go invest all that time and energy and tax my body in the same way to get the same kind of [00:26:00] mental state. Yeah. And that's, that's of great interest to me.
'cause now that's a tool. Yeah. You know, I'm not, not to be like really like rational, like resource management about it, but like, if I ever need to like get a boost, I know that if I, I need, if I need a shot of adrenaline, I'll put on this song Yeah.
That I know will give me adrenaline. And I'm good to go. For whatever.
Lana: So well said. It's, it creates a shortcut in your
Kev: mm-hmm. To,
Lana: To, to access that
Kev: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lana: Yeah. It's like the best after a festival or an event when just like, looking through your shazams and then revisiting the songs.
Uh, so good. Yeah.
Kev: So good. Yeah. You're a Shazam.
That's sick.
Lana: Are you not?
Kev: Uh,
Lana: two in the moment.
Kev: No. I've, I've like tried it a few, you know, Shazam never really did it for me 'cause it wasn't connected to like Apple music or whatever for a long time. Now it's good. I just got out of the habit. Send me your shazams next
Lana: I'll send you a screenshot.
Kev: [00:27:00] Cool. DJ Lana over here. Sick.
Lana: You know, I dated this guy once who was a DJ and I like was kind of learning to teach.
Kev: Oh wow. Cool.
Lana: It
was very basic, but it was, it was fun.
it out.
That stopped though. Next
Kev: episode is gonna be a one
Lana: No it's not.
Kev: Okay. A 30 minute mix. No. All right. A 10 minute
Lana: I stick to podcasting. No. Alright.
Kev: All right. You're gonna
Lana: And enjoying Yeah. Playlists. I have like over a hundred playlists easily on Spotify.
Kev: go. You'll drop some,
Lana: I'll share them with you. Yeah,
Kev: You'll find 'em in the show
Lana: Yeah. Lots of liquid drum and bass tracks. Like I got a bank of those. Yeah. Okay. the seventh one here. So I'm not someone who, like someone will offer a new substance to, and I'm just like, okay.
Sure.
Kev: Uh,
Lana: And I think, yeah, I think for me personally, like I'll. Try to wait. Like if I get the, the [00:28:00] desire to try something new, like I really wanna do my research before and like, understand it and just give it some breathing room before actually trying it.
Kev: Know your substance. Know your dose. Know what you're taking. Know how much you're taking. Know what's gonna do to you. Yeah. Yeah. Don't just go willy-nilly into the dark night.
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: With stuff, I mean this, this is, I mean this is one of the things that I, I
plan for when I'm going out is I'll have a substance plan, even just a loose, and I'll, I'll always check in with myself and sometimes I'll check in with the friends and the people around me and like, what's our substance plan tonight?
Yeah. What are you thinking? You know? Is it like a one great substance plan? I used to always kind of bank on was like weed and Red Bull. Like is it a weed and Red bull kind of night? Like if it's a weed and Red Bull kind of night, if someone offers you something that's not weed or Red Bull, are you gonna take it?
Yeah. You know, you can just decide in advance what you're open to taking, what your [00:29:00] like hard edge is. Like if you're just, if you're gonna be really strict about it or if you're open, I mean, it's okay to be open. Um, but I think to your point is like knowing what substances are, number one, um, knowing your dose mm-hmm.
What, what the effects have on you, and then knowing the, the, um, the interaction between substances. Especially if you're taking more than one. Yeah. Like, you need to know that you, you absolutely should not take a big bump of ketamine. If you're like six beers deep, that's gonna give you the spins, they're gonna black you out.
Like that is, that's a potent combo. Yeah. Same thing with g hb. Like, you just gotta know some basics before you start, you know, throwing ingredients into the pot. So having, having a substance plan and, and, and either planning to stick to it or being open to free styling on it, but at least you've got a home base mm-hmm.
To, to riff off of. Yeah. Instead of just being like, I'm going out tonight and I'm gonna take whatever and [00:30:00] whoever's gonna offer it to me, is I gonna say yes to? Like Yeah. Obviously not, neither of us are doing that. Yeah. But that's a, that's a really surefire way to harm yourself.
Lana: Yeah. Yeah. Like I sat on my 2CB for months and months and months and months and months, and I'm so happy that I did, because at Base Coast they had a testing site and I went to go get it tested and it ended up being 2CI,
which has a two milligram threshold dose, whereas two CB has a five milligram threshold dose.
So if I took that thinking it was two CB at the dose of two cb, I don't know what would've happened.
Kev: Well, yeah, and I mean, it
Lana: taken too much a
Kev: dose. I mean, yeah.
So you would've, you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have like overdosed, but it would've been a more
Lana: dose
Kev: Yes, that's right. You would've accidentally taken
Like, too
Lana: 10 or 15 milligrams of two ci,
Kev: right?
Lana: That would've been crazy. So I think let's, let's actually get into like our tips that we have for [00:31:00] people who want to responsibly engage with recreational psychedelics, because that really is the starting point, like starting point, that psycho psychoeducation.
And we did a really great episode with Dance Safe that people can go check out. I think it was episode 47, um, if I remember correctly. But yeah, like, no, like Kev was just saying, like knowing what you're consuming, knowing the doses, getting it tested, um, just educating yourself on basic harm reduction. And this is why I appreciate like the rave community.
So much is that in general people are pretty responsible and like know their stuff. 'cause you have to be, if you wanna be safe, you have to know what has interactions. You have to know how much a dose is, you have to know how to time your doses with certain things. Right. So that psychoeducation is like non-negotiable for anyone.
Yeah. Like I think that's a blanket statement.
Kev: I it is a non-negotiable.
[00:32:00] I, I think of it as like if, if partying with substances is an action sport knowledge is your surfboard,
Lana: it's the training.
Kev: true. It's truly what is going to like, literally help you navigate. 'cause otherwise you're gonna just show up and get like, hit in the face once and not get back up.
I mean, so like, , knowing what your substances are, I mean you can find tons of resources online.
One that really hits for me now, it used to be awi, if anyone is of the old, old days, erowid still is pretty good. One really tidy one right now is psych, not Wiki,
that's, it's got a Wikipedia format and it's got all the threshold doses and like really easy to access information, really actionable info. I find with erowid sometimes you need to like dig a little and
yeah,
Yeah. Psychonaut Wiki Wiki is like,
Lana: that's what
they were referencing when I went to the testing site.
Kev: Oh yeah. Psychonaut Wiki. Oh, great. [00:33:00] Yeah. So yeah, that's, I mean, go like research. I remember when I first tried M D M A I researched Oh, and Blue Light, the Blue Light forums. Um, they're okay. Not as great as, as second out Wiki.
Um, yeah. Researched for forever and like built a whole like, you know, preload post load supplement schedule. I know we're probably gonna talk about that too, but like, you know, learning, learning what a substance can do to you and like the basic harm reduction is really important. Yeah. I think self experimentation is key.
Like, don't just like read about something on the internet and then just like go do a standard dose, like, Start lower, start lower,
Lana: Start
Kev: start low, go slow. Yeah. Have patience. Yeah. Try it out. I like to, when people try ketamine for the first time, they're like, I'm nervous. I don't know how much, what's a dose?
What's a dose? And I'm like, I don't know your dose either. Let's start with one that you're probably not gonna feel. Yeah. Let's go there first and then [00:34:00] just like, be okay with not feeling something. So at least you know, that's too little. Yeah. It's way better to know something's too little of a dose than to be like, whoa, that was a bit much, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Lana: Yeah. I think that's another great point. Like start low and go slow, like, man, like. Has anyone ever been like, totally fucked up and like, enjoy it? Like we're, it's just not fun. Like, it's
not fun for anyone. Especially, it's not fun for your friends. It's not fun for the people throwing the event.
It's not fun for you. Like I, you know, there's a sweet spot. There's no need to like go totally out of control,
Kev: especially if you don't plan on it. You know, like, especially if you're like, I accidentally got a little too fucked up. Yeah. Like that. I, there's, I mean, everyone makes mistakes, but like, there's very little excuse for that.
Like, other than, you know, you learned a lesson and it's good and I hope you get a lot out of the experience, but like, yeah, you should, I mean, moderate yourself, like, especially if you're entering a space that, that others [00:35:00] have curated, like some spaces are more friendly to like being fucked up than others.
And if you wanna lean on those, those, you know, those resources, especially if there's like a safe space or a sanctuary or something, um, you know, that means that you can probably go a little further than you, than you would, but if you're just at a,
Lana: but also like checking your intention behind that.
Yeah.
Kev: Well there you go. It all comes back to, it really does all come back to
Lana: Yeah. Like are you wanting to like push your limits and boundaries because of something you wanna get from that? Or are you doing that like, where you're at is just too painful and you don't wanna
Kev: feel
it. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Totally.
Lana: Yeah. Um,
Kev: yes, know, know your substance, know your dose. That's great. Yeah. Love that.
Cool.
Lana: Let's talk about supplementation, is like game changer for me when it comes to M D M A specifically. Mm-hmm. I mean, I take [00:36:00] supplements every in general, but um, I find, so roll kit's amazing.
You guys have heard me talk about it all the time.
So something like Roll kit is really cool because they are, they have developed a supplementation package that's backed by research and research shows that with M D M A supplementation, timing matters.
So like, when you take your supplements matters. So I love using that, but I also supplement on top of that. A l a has been a game changer. Have you tried a l a? Mm-hmm. You know, it's a game changer. I was, I was really going hard on the a l a at base coast and I felt incredible after.
Kev: What does it do?
Lana: It's neuroprotection. Yeah. It's good for neuroprotection.
Kev: Yo, slide me some of that. A l a
Lana: Yeah.
You can buy that at the health food store people.
Kev: Oh, one great festival supplement hack. Uh, I learned at Base Coast was creatine. 'cause 'cause that's, that helps you get, um, [00:37:00] liquid in your muscles or whatever. I don't know. There's some, there's something, it does a lot of bodybuilders use it and I'm, I'm
Lana: the hydration.
Kev: Yeah. I'm interesting. I'm butchering the effect, but I tru it's, it helped reduce cramping. Yeah. And fatigue. Okay. That's awesome. Did you try it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The, the, the day that my friend James was like, here, try this. wow, I can go forever.
Lana: Interesting. Yeah. And on that note, hydration is
Kev: dude. You're the electrolytes. Yeah. You got me on electrolyte tablets. Yeah.
Lana: yeah. So I love to use like the Nuun ones. Yeah. I like LMNT as well, but with the Nuun, they don't have enough sodium, so I actually buy this brand called Real Salt and you can like actually see the salt like minerals.
It's like black minerals in it. And so I'll do like an electrolyte tablet and then like, Half a teaspoon, a teaspoon into like my big bottle of water and it just, you feel it, right?
Kev: It also tastes hella
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Feels good. Yeah. [00:38:00] Way better than just whatever misc water is in your
Lana: Yeah. You gotta, you gotta a supplement and never get distilled water because Right.
It lacks. Yeah. I remember once, um, my friend brought like bottles and bottles of distilled water to a festival and we were like,
Kev: cannot
Lana: Thought you're gonna get dehydrated. Yeah.
Kev: Literally you will pee, but you will not be hydrated.
Lana: Yeah. Um, I also really like vitamin E that's also good for neuroprotection, but just doing research, maybe I'll link in the show notes for people.
Um, the studies that roll kit references about supplementation, I find it really helps. And again, it's that step of intentionality. You're like planning to have as healthy and safe of an experience as you can. You're setting yourself up for success and yeah, that's just, that's a huge one for me.
Yeah, let's talk about intention. Do you wanna start us off with this one? 'cause I feel like you're so passionate about party
Kev: intentions
Hmm.
Yeah. I think [00:39:00] partying with intention, I mean, doing anything with intention's important and if you don't, if you don't have an intention, it leaves a lot of room for, Unconscious fear and like, like drudgery to get into your system and then you're, you're operating on bad vibes. Um, so yeah, just like opening a space to create intention and to like interpret intention too. 'cause you probably already know what you, what you want out of this experience or, um, I mean, one really great way to frame it is like, how do you want to feel today or tonight?
Like, what do you want to experience? What do you want to contribute? What do you wanna find? Um, answering any of those simple questions is, is like gonna help you have an experience that's meaningful. Um, rather than like, [00:40:00] feeling lost or just totally random. Um, and, and even if it's just a word, even if it's just the intention to have fun.
Mm-hmm. Like fun. If fun's your intention, then just remember
Lana: always my
Kev: It's, yeah. It's always, yeah. That's always the baseline of mine. I've always, I've usually got two or three, but it's, you know, if you want to have
Lana: coming from a place of like, I actually wanna have fun, not like, I'm not having fun in life, so I wanna escape that by having fun.
Like, I actually want to like fully experience the experience of fun.
Kev: I love that. And, and like even just saying I want to have fun lines up so well with your, um, earlier note of always. Yeah. Building on top of experience and moving towards, and not running away from, and it may sound simple. Sometimes we do an intention circle.
I mean, we, we often do intention circles before we go out or before we take like a, a substance, especially like a long run substance like M D M A or L S D. And like sometimes people start [00:41:00] on a monologue when it's intention time. They're like, you know, I really want to call in, uh, this and that and this and that, and, and hey, that's, that's for them.
And then some people are like, I'm just, I'm just ready to like, let loose and have fun. Yeah. That's a valid, an awesome intention. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What are some intentions that have worked well for you? Outside of, uh, outside of having fun?
Lana: Yeah. I always love to go to.
Like express myself through dance and just like use this as a moment of expression and self-discovery. Like what can I learn about myself? Like it's so funny 'cause So you got me into the bass,
Kev: the bass,
Lana: the bass music and I remember at a recent party that we were at, it was just like some crazy shit that I would normally not listen to, but I was just like, what is this?
My body is moving in different ways and it was literally like unlocking these new layers and [00:42:00] levels within myself that I had never expressed or paid attention to. And I was like, wow, this is amazing. So I love treating these recreational spaces as a place of self-discovery and like unlocking what lies beneath that.
I usually don't have the environment and setting and just overall experience to like freely explore.
Kev: Mm-hmm.
Lana: So that's, I I love that one. How can I express myself through the fashion, through the dance, through the all of it. I love to go to laughter. Like, I just wanna laugh. Like there's nothing like a good L s d laugh.
Kev: Yeah,
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Laughter and sound
Lana: Yeah. And then also like, just connection. Like if I'm with a new group or with a friend I haven't partied with in a while, like, I wanna connect with you. I wanna just like, spend time with you. I wanna enjoy this and make [00:43:00] memories. So that's kind of where my mindset goes, where when I'm setting intentions,
Kev: the, like, there, these are world-class intentions.
I love that. I mean, expression and self-discovery is so potent. It's such a good, um, permission slip when you're in party mode. Because like, you're in, you're in a, um, uh, a temporary, um, society when you're out. I mean, we're talking about like a lot of our party, when we say party, we're all talking about music.
We're talking about rave as well. Like, that blends into this thing. Like,
Lana: I mean, we only go to raves. We don't, we don't go to any other parties,
Kev: It's basically
Lana: Yeah. Yeah.
Kev: And like, like rave space is like a lot of, um, it's okay to be yourself and like let your freak flag fly. Yeah. So like,
Lana: you're so celebrated for that.
Kev: Yes,
So these are like temporary, like heightened self-expression moments. So if you go into that and you're
Lana: use that. Yes. Right?
Kev: Yes. [00:44:00] Leverage it.
Yeah. It's like, I'm going to, you know, but think about the opposite. I always like to think about the opposite. It's like if you were to go into that space and say, I'm going to not express myself and I'm going to operate as if I already know myself.
You're just gonna stand in the corner.
And disengage.
Lana: Yeah. There's something about these recreational spaces that open up new layers that. I haven't experienced through like ceremonial It's like, oh, there's actually this little girl inside of me that just like wants to have fucking fun and she can do it
Kev: Mm.
Lana: Whereas like in a ceremonial setting, it's a little more serious. It's a little more about, you know, going like really deep into the nuances. I kind of like the contrast of it being like kinda light and simple.
Kev: I love that. That sounds like it fits [00:45:00] really well with the idea of keeping a balance
and, and having seriousness and fun and, and like, yeah.
Doing both.
Lana: Yeah. Like the last two years I stepped back into like rave culture last summer, after a couple years off, and I've kind of like organized my years by like, You know, the colder months are for like ceremonial experiences and deep dives in like, summer.
I don't wanna do that. Like, whereas like a few summers ago I was like so deep in healing that I was like at an ayahuasca retreat every month. But now I'm, I'm in a different place and it's about like finding what works for me when, so the way I've organized it is, yeah, like the ceremonial like work, like when I'm there to work are kind of like those winter colder months and then the summer's just about like, having fun and being in these recreational spaces.
Mm.
Kev: Hmm. I love that. That's cool. Yeah, I haven't, I don't have any ceremonial work to layer in in which I, [00:46:00] I plan on changing. Um, but, you know, my, my rhythm more about, um, festivals. Like they kind of punctuate my year is like, summer months are, there's more festival action and that's like, you know, 2, 3, 4 day offsite, more of like an extended full send.
Uh, whereas like the winter it's usually little nights out or, you know, lots, lots more like chilling time
Lana: Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And on the note of festivals, um, I think one tip for people is,
to really look out for more like grassroots festival experiences.
Like curated experiences that tend to be smaller and like really take seriously harm reduction and, cultivate a culture of care. And you can tell. Festivals that do that. Whereas like some festivals, like we were talking about with Sarah the other night, they have like the dogs at the front and they like [00:47:00] search you so hard.
And you know, there's this culture of like, drugs are bad, don't do drugs. And like the importance of, um, mindset at when, when you are on substances is so important. So like if you're at a festival and there's like drugs or bad signs everywhere and you're on drugs, like that's just gonna, that's not cohesive to the experience.
They're not. Even though they know, know people, like what people are there to do. So I think for people who are listening that are like curious about these recreational containers, curious about festivals, curious about what they have to offer to them. Um, yeah, just like look for, look for festivals or experiences that really take harm reduction seriously.
Maybe they have sanctuaries, maybe they have like an onsite team, but like you can tell when the festival has been created with care versus when it's like, yeah. Just a big commercial festival that wants to make money and doesn't really care about the safety and the experience of the attendees.[00:48:00]
Kev: Yeah, I mean, that ties into a boundary around, um, how you act around security and authority. And, um, you know, back, back in the day, like 10 years ago when I was going out to lots of events, um, it was like pretty public, but the harm reduction wasn't as much on the radar. And it, a lot of the events were still like, you know, they, I don't remember an event where there was like dog sniffing dogs, but there's often like, you enter and you see a security person in a bulletproof vest and they're there to remind you to like, drop your drugs in the amnesty box or hide 'em real good.
'cause we ain't gonna, we don't like the sight of them and like, you know, that's
Lana: yet everyone inside is on
Kev: Yeah. And so what it, what that does is
Lana: doesn't make sense. Like,
Kev: I mean, you can still have fun in those containers. It just, it just, you need to install a boundary around how, um, how, um, what's the word when you're like doing something in public, how, [00:49:00] like auspicious, no, not auspicious.
But how like openly you're going to either be high or like take a substance, um, like how much in public you're going to do those things. That, that's, that's, I mean, that's a boundary
Lana: Well, that's like set and setting.
That's literally set and setting. And I, I guess my point here is that some of the mainstream festivals that I've gone to, they don't really take set and setting very seriously. And we know that set and setting, regardless of which container you're in, are extremely
Kev: Yeah.
With substance use.
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Yeah. Yeah.
Lana: yeah, yeah.
Kev: Yep. Love that.
Lana: Cool. Let's talk a bit about just like, Fuel and nutrition and sleep and like that whole part.
Kev: Oh, basic body
Lana: Yeah. Which
Kev: You mean that's
Lana: Yeah. Which people forget, don't they?
Kev: they? Tell me more.
Lana: Yeah. How
Kev: how do you keep it going?
Lana: we talked about the electrolytes [00:50:00] and salt makes a huge difference.
Like always with, you know, the healthy snacks. I love my oranges. Yeah.
Kev: Yeah.
Lana: Uh, I go for like, what is it, nutrient dense snacks. Yeah. Just remembering to like actually fuel your body if you're dancing for like 15 hours or however long. But like, remembering, oh, the baby food. Little packets. Jenny taught me that.
Just like, yeah, just like remember to fuel your body. It does make a difference in how you will feel the next day. Um, energy you know. I think, I think all that's really great. You
Kev: can't just have vibes for dinner.
Lana: You can't have vibes for
Kev: dinner. Not, not multiple days in a row at
Lana: No, no.
Kev: yeah. Vibes that keep you going so far. But it's, they don't make a great dinner.
you, if you put like a nutrition facts label on vibes, it'd be like the vibes, like it'd be a hundred percent, but then like vitamin C it'd be zero. Yeah. [00:51:00] There's no vitamin C in
Lana: vibe. Add some oranges to that bottle of vibes. That's right.
Kev: Yeah, that's right.
Lana: Some
Kev: oranges to your vibes and you'll, you'll max it out.
Lana: Yeah. And then with, with sleep, so this isn't something that I really struggled with for a long time. Like you mentioned, seeing sunrises, I used to, and I think this is maybe my relationships with. My relationship with these spaces changed, but like I used to get so freaked out seeing the sunrise, and I felt like, I don't know, I just felt like such a degenerate, and I think that's because I kind of was
Kev: you
Lana: back in the day, but I've like really reworked my relationship with sleep and like just accepting that like, okay, it's gonna be a 5:00 AM night.
Like I'm gonna see the sunrise and you know, I'm gonna sleep in the next day until I wake up and my body will bounce back and I can do this. I've really had to make that mindset shift because I used to have so much anxiety about the sleep side of things.
Are you like that at all? Or how do you
Kev: get to sleep?[00:52:00]
Yeah. I never, so
Lana: just sleep.
Kev: Yeah, sleep. Just sleep.
Lana: Make sure you sleep. Yeah.
Kev: I, yeah. I mean, my relationship with sleep is, is, is already kind of dubious. Like I find it, I, my regular sleep rhythm isn't strong. Like I, I find it difficult to like, maintain a regular sleep schedule. So it's not a huge thing when I, when I That's for you go out.
But I do, I do need it. Yeah. And I do know I need it, and I do inevitably, like when I crash, I know that I'm crashing for a minimum six hours. Yeah. So if I go to bed at six, I'm like, well, don't plan anything before noon and don't plan anything within three hours of waking up anyway. So, yeah. Like, I know it's coming and yeah, I definitely don't avoid sleep.
Here's the thing with, here's my thing with sleep is that I know I need it and I will let it come and I know when it's coming. Some people actively are like, I'll sleep when I'm dead. No. Sleeping this weekend, like I'm going to avoid sleep. I'm gonna drink a coffee or an energy drink [00:53:00] just to keep it going.
I'm gonna artificially skip sleep. Yeah. In order to keep going and like that's something that I definitely avoid. Yeah. Unless there's a really good reason and I can't think of a great
Lana: Yeah. Like that. Yeah. That has to be a boundary within yourself, right? Yeah. Of like, okay, I'm gonna start winding things down now.
Yeah. Because I actually need to sleep. I love to go for like the natural sleep supplements, like Valerian root and melatonin. That really helps me a lot and makes me get that like good quality, um, sleep that really makes a difference in the recovery. And also creating space after, right? Like creating space, just like after every psychedelic experience for this, maybe it's a little bit more about like the body recovery, but that space and creating the space for that is so important.
Kev: Yeah,
yeah, You need to recover, you need to need to fuel, you need your body to keep going. That's it. I mean, look, like if you [00:54:00] never had to pee, sleep or eat, you would party forever or you'd work forever or you'd keep, do like, your body's just like a natural stopgap and like just if you've got pee, like, don't be like, oh man, I gotta pee.
It's too bad. Like, I wish I didn't have to pee. Like No. It's like it's time for a pee break. Time to check in with yourself. Yeah. When you get a pee body break. Yep. Body break. Or if you're tired, be like, well, like maybe you've been up for a long time. Yeah. And you should probably sleep. Yeah. Like just listen to your body.
Yeah. Listen to your body.
Lana: Yeah. Check in with the body. Even if sometimes we are so disconnected from our bodies.
Kev: your body whispers loudly. Yeah. It's there to hear. Yeah.
Lana: Think one of the most special things about. These recreational spaces that we're talking about today is how much responsibility people in them take for the spaces. And there really is this like beautiful [00:55:00] culture of care.
And I think that's, that's a tip that I have for people. Just like to take responsibility for the space that you're in for yourself. Like keep an eye out for your friends. Like we call it rave fam for a reason, because like you are a little family to make sure that everyone is safe, that everyone has what they need and to just like be.
goosebumps talking about this, but like, yeah, just to like, but just like, yeah, just like keeping an eye over people. Like I will often see people that look really fucked up and like, I'll go up to them and like, Hey, how are you doing? Like, would you like some water? Can I refill your water bottle?
Like, here's some fruit. You know, just keeping an eye out for people because that's what makes these spaces so special.
Kev: Mm, yeah. That's great. Like, yeah, just not being selfish and being like community [00:56:00] oriented is, is like the way to be. Yeah. I love that. I mean, I was really inspired by, um, my, my business partner Caris.
Um, like
Lana: what up Caris? She's sitting right beside us.
Kev: in the room, um, like when we went to Harvest the first time, and Harvest is a, is a boutique festival in Ontario. It's like, yeah, it's a really great experience. Like, um, she volunteered at
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Yeah. For like, like the most busy hour of one of the like weekend nights.
And like, and when I first saw that I, I couldn't really comprehend it. I was like, well, that's full send of time. But then I realized that was her way of contributing to the community and like using the vibes.
Lana: Put the cam on car for a second.
Kev: like rotate, insert shot of Caris blushing. Yeah. And like, shout out, shout out to like
Lana: Farra. Sila. Yeah. She was at Base Coast and she's gonna be at the one that I'm going to this weekend.
Kev: Mm-hmm. I [00:57:00] mean, she's, she, she started
Lana: Bloom
yeah.
Kev: You know, so you know that that's gonna have some solid roots Yeah. I mean, like if you, if you make space to care for others, that just makes it really safe for them to experience even more fully Yeah. These, these spaces.
Lana: Yeah. Like remember a friend at Base Coast that came to the hammocks? He was like, he like tied our shoe, but I was helping him like 10 minutes earlier and then he ended up feeling better and like came and hung out with us. That's right. You can really like turn someone's night
Kev: Well,
and I, and then I like an ancillary to that experience.
Like, because that was like, that was like a joyful person who you had helped out and he came over
Lana: Yeah. I gave him baby food.
Kev: Yeah. Right. You brought him back to life. And then in that same hammock experience, I remember someone else came over and sat down. We, we,
Lana: Oh yeah. The
Kev: who was very high and was not belligerent.
He was very like soft and loving and and innocent, but he was very [00:58:00] high. What did
Lana: What did you guys do? Uh,
Kev: Gently pointed him towards sanctuary. Simply, merely suggested it at the right time. We make
Lana: wanna make people feel
Kev: don't wanna make him feel shame. And we accepted him sitting down just like Right. Like literally sharing a hammock with us for a minute.
And then once we figured out how high he was, and he was on a number of intense
Lana: cocktail,
Kev: a co, a potent
Lana: Wow.
Kev: Wow. Like doing, doing a half of what he was doing would get, get you real, real kooky. Um, We were like, well, he just, he needs to sit down. Obviously he knows that. And I think he's open suggestion and I know to point him at sanctuary.
Yeah. Because that's, that's, that's where you can go. Mm-hmm. And, and he, we watched him just walk on over and sit on the couch and someone put a glass of water in his hand. Yes. You know, I mean, he would've been fine in that space, like in just chilling in the hammock otherwise, but knowing that there was somewhere to send someone like that who needed what he needed, [00:59:00] which was just a safe space, no judgment.
Yeah. And probably some water. And, and and, and then to also like ride out this massive trip Yeah. That he Yeah. I mean, safe spaces are, are so important,
Lana: but safe spaces are created by
Kev: They
are. Yep. They're co-created. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And you, you gotta participate.
Lana: it's about your energy Yeah. who you are, and like how loving and accepting you are. Like
Kev: and you don't what you're bringing. Yeah. You don't need to be on First Aid duty or on Vibe Patrol to contribute to a safe space. You could just like make the most of the experience for yourself and contribute those vibes to the space. Like if you're, if you're like, if you're like fully sending it and you're like, you know, being the heartbeat for your own vibration, that's, you're committing, you're contributing to that safe space as much as, as someone who's volunteering with a vest who's giving out water.
Yeah.
It is easy to overwhelm,[01:00:00] , harm reduction services. Yeah. And teams like, yeah. We've heard, we've heard, uh, a few, like we behind the scenes reports of like people saying like, oh wow. Like they, like people are really sending at this festival, like, we're kind of maxed out here.
Yeah. Like, you can't just take for granted that harm reduction is there and just, just go get sloppy.
Lana: still need to take responsibility for yourself and what you're, what you're
Kev: it's a, it's a safety net. It's there for you, but you don't need to jump right into the safety net. No. Like go try to try to fly.
Yeah. Don't just jump off the cliff and be like, I'm going into the safety net. Here I go. Yeah. Yeah. Like go give, get
yourself glide glide flap around a little.
Lana: I think another note on that is like just taking responsibility for like consent culture. Like I really appreciated at Base Coast how consensual the crowd was.
Um, even like, you know, vibing with someone on the dance floor and like dancing with them for a few minutes. There's [01:01:00] this real feeling of like, I am me, you are, you we're like sharing a boogie, but like there was no, you know, getting into spaces that isn't your own. And I think that that's like something to also take responsibility for as a recreational, um, dweller.
A recreational dweller.
Kev: yeah. Yeah, we talked about this on, on one of the party zone episodes with with me time. We talk about safe spaces and um, yeah, consent is such a huge factor. 'cause it's not just about, um, do you, like, do I have consent to come near you physically? It's like, am I aware of your boundaries and am I aware of mine?
Am I aware of how much space I'm taking up? Do I need that much space? Um, if I do, am I, am I like aware of someone around me that. I might be impeding on. Consent is so often just used in the, in the um, context of [01:02:00] sex and, uh, and mating and attraction and like dating and stuff like that.
But it's also like dancing, um, and taking up too much space and, and like, just 'cause you haven't looked at someone in the eye and either nodded or shaking your head doesn't mean that you're not imposing on someone's personal space. Yeah. So like, just being aware of.
What you're taking up Yeah. In terms of space, whether it's physical space, whether it's auditory, like people will talk about fan clacking, for example.
I know it's a contentious issue, but it's
Lana: I love fan clacking a case in
Kev: point. It's a case in point because that there's a boundary that a lot of people feel
Lana: you're like doing in someone's ear. Yeah.
Kev: then so there's a, there's consent in play there. Yeah. Like are you, do you have consent to take up what it like is kind of an
Lana: Yeah. Or the whistles? People with the whistles.
Kev: Yeah. Loud sounds. Yeah. You know, so how much space are you taking up in the auditory Yeah. As well as your physical
Lana: Yeah. I think part of also [01:03:00] keeping safe spaces is like, um, like keeping your friends in check. Like we had this moment. Base coast right? Where,
Kev: no names.
Lana: There was an oversend and like there was a discussion about it,
Kev: Mm-hmm.
Lana: Like if you see a friend doing
Kev: mm-hmm.
Lana: That doesn't seem safe, like maybe they're dosing or mixing or just they, they overdid it. Like just, it doesn't have to be judgmental, but just have a conversation with them about it, right? Sure. Yeah. Check
Kev: 'em. Don't body check 'em. Yeah. Check 'em. That's so friends do. Yeah. They keep each other in check and it's not keeping someone in check isn't keeping them in line. Yeah. You're not like get back in line, like follow the rules. It's like, hey, like did you mean to do that? Yeah. I, I noticed that you maybe didn't, and I think I know you well enough to say that I don't think you did.
And um, you know, are you sure? Like how are you [01:04:00] feeling? Like are you okay? Like do you want to maybe adjust your behavior next time? Hold that safe
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Be vibe patrol for your own people.
Lana: Yeah. Yeah. Super important. Okay. And then, so the last tip that I have here, which we touched on, uh, the debriefs, which is part of the integration process, but just like, yeah, taking time to reflect, like, did you make any mistakes or did you have some, um, errors in judgment and what can you learn from that?
It's okay. I mean, right. Like, hopefully nothing fatal or like close to fatal is happening, but like, just like, what can you learn? what can you be more mindful of next time? Uh, that self-discovery piece, like what did you learn about yourself, about your, like preferences, like what you love, what you enjoy, what kind of music really gets you going?
Like, what surprised you about yourself? What did you discover about yourself? I know that you love, like how can you bring the party spirit into everyday life? Like what parts of [01:05:00] this. Peak experience. Do I wanna weave and bring into my life? And how can I do that? Maybe that's like going into your tickle trunk and like integrating some like tickle trunk gear into your everyday wardrobe.
Like I am right now with this beautiful scarf but yeah, like how, how can you do that?
Kev: I love that. Yeah. Accessories are a great way to, to bring the spirit along with you. Just little
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: Yeah. Little visual
Lana: Well, you're so good at this. How do you bring that into your
Kev: Well, it starts with a debrief and Yeah. You ask any, it
Lana: started with a debrief.
Kev: it began one rainy night. I was debriefing in the back of an Uber. Uh, the air was thick and hazy. Um,
Yeah, it was, the fires were burning. There
Lana: was a smell, and that smell was skunk.
Kev: Skunking raccoon poo.
Um, yeah, I mean, like the, yeah. The debrief is great. And I love, and I, those questions are awesome and it's just like, you could, it can be as simple as like, what's a highlight? What [01:06:00] was a lowlight or a lesson? Yeah. And what do I, what do I want to do moving forward? How do I want to be? And then just trying it out, like experimenting with anything in your life.
Like using a new word,
you know, like just taking something with you. Swerve. Swerve was a word that, that, that was, it's, and it's such a handy word. I use swerve now. It's like a concept for me. It's, it's a bump swerve. It's on my car. Yeah. Swerve
Lana: We wanna do a video for you if you're
Kev: Swerve. Shout out to Swerve Swerve, uh, swerve supply code based outta Calgary.
They got some really swag gear.
Yeah.
Lana: We are obsessed.
Kev: Yeah. We'll, we'll be talking swerve. Yeah, we'll be
Lana: I and the camera.
Kev: We see you. This vape break brought to you by swerve Too. Deep.
Lana: It's gonna go in the bloopers.
Kev: a boundary. Oh.
Oh. Know your limits. Play [01:07:00] Vape within it. Uh, yeah. No, I think you, I think you said everything. I mean like just making space for a debrief, being mindful, like on the way in and on the way out and hey man, like that's how you should live your whole life.
Lana: Yeah. Maybe you like really love the sense of connection and community that this experience granted you. Okay, so how can I bring more connection and community? You don't have to go to a rave every weekend. You can host a dinner
With people you had this experience with or other friends. Mm-hmm. And have that same sense of connection and community, like make it your own.
This is about you dance us. Yeah.
Kev: You're like, oh wow. Like, I really like hip hop. Damn. I'm gonna go
Lana: hip hop classes so
Kev: Yeah, me too. Do you wanna take a class?
Lana: because I kind of like, I feel like when I dance I have this kind of like hip hop attitude.
Kev: Yeah. Hell yeah. Right? Like I like, um, I wanna like get into crumping yo and like breaking and stuff. It's like I y you, you kind of like learn,
Lana: imagine that to like skeptical or
Kev: Yeah.
Yeah. Skepticals. Mad drum bass. Yeah. Yeah. Like just like [01:08:00] follow through. That's all. Follow through. Yeah. Yep.
Complete it.
Tease it out. Yeah. Find a find, find a se like what's the sequel? Like, what's the next experience you want to have? How do you wanna build on it?
Lana: Yeah. Yeah.
Kev: are great tips. Lana, did you come up with these yourself? I did. These are all from experience. Yeah. Wow.
Lana: Is there anything you wanna add?
Kev: you know, feel
Lana: like you wanna talk about?
Kev: I think we've, we've, I, I, I, I've talked enough. I think we can go for, we'll do, we could go for hours here.
Lana: we could.
Kev: Uh, so I think maybe we'll do a round two sometime. Yeah. And bring it, bring bring it back to the people. Yeah. This is, this is hefty enough to digest.
Yeah.
Lana: Yeah.
Cool, cool. Well, I hope that this was useful and fun for people. Um, obviously this isn't meant to like, encourage any dangerous activities
Kev: illegal, we are not condoning illegal states of mind.
Lana: I just think, like, we talked about this on the Dance Safe episode, but [01:09:00] like people have been doing this forever and they will continue to do it forever, so why not provide them with the psychoeducation? So that the experiences can be safe and informed and consensual rather than full of judgment, which is gonna greatly influence the type of experience that they have.
So that's kind of where we're coming at with this episode, and I really would encourage people, if you are curious about recreational containers, if you're already engaging with them, to take the time to create some boundaries or rules, right? A fence for you to play within that works for you and makes sense for you.
I shared mine with you today. They're not meant to be yours. I just wanted to share my process of going through it so that we could discuss how it's been useful. But please go ahead and make your own. That makes sense for you.
Kev: Even a blank page has edges remember that.
Lana: Unless
Kev: it's [01:10:00] like one of those infinite scrolls on, uh, like Photoshop or Miro or something, but even a blank page has edges. we'll leave you with any, any, uh, Any, any final, um, oh, any mantras? Any anything. That's one thing. Here's one thing, a little bonus takeaway here.
Maybe we can end with that. Um, is, um, the idea of like yeah. Intentions, but, but also a mantra, like a little phrase to repeat to yourself. Mm-hmm. Sort of to kinda keep yourself on the
Lana: Mm-hmm.
Kev: Um, something that's worked for me is to follow the fun.
Lana: Follow the fun. Yes. You always say that.
Follow
Kev: the fun.
Lana: Yeah.
Kev: And that's, that's a builtin, that's a builtin little like guidepost. Yeah. If
Lana: Follow the fun within your boundaries.
Kev: right. Know your limits. Play within. Play within it. Yeah. Play on.
Play on.
Lana: I love that.
Perfect. Well, thanks for doing this. This has been so fun.
Kev: Me, me Too. Fun. Was had We like you. We like you very much.
Lana: Yeah, it was, [01:11:00] it was a good time. And I hope that the audience had fun getting to know you a little better.
I think you'll be back on soon.
Kev: Yeah. In the future. That's great. Thanks. Thank you all for listening.
Lana: Thanks for all the work you're doing to help us with the show
you.
Kev: know, if you like this, if you like this video, give Lana thumbs up on Apple Podcasts or wherever you're
Lana: that's YouTube. Leave a rating and review on
Kev: Smash the like button, like it's pumpkin pie.
Lana: Okay. And you're not gonna deal with my marketing.
Kev: Let 'em know you'll like it.
Lana: There's a reason you're b t s Kev.
Kev: they're gonna love it. They're gonna love it.
Lana: Okay. And scene.
Kev: Bye.
Lana: Thanks for listening everyone, and I love you all very much. Stay safe, stay true to yourself. Follow your energy. Follow your fun and express yourself. Yes, bye.
Kev: express
yourself.
