068 | How To Participate in Your Own Healing & Transformation (w/ Soul Centro’s Iboga Providers)
“We must be willing to look at ourselves and the hard things that have happened in our life. The medicine will bring up for us to look at things that we haven’t fully processed. ”
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What does it actually take to change your life with plant medicine? Iboga providers Elizabeth Bast and Chor Boogie know a thing or two about this. It took a lot of work for Chor to get clean from substance addictions, and Elizabeth to heal her childhood trauma.
Theirs is a powerful story of strength, courage, and resilience; they truly transformed their pain to heal themselves and now others. The pair are life partners and iboga providers whose words are powerful transmissions that pierce deeply. They are devoting their life to Iboga, Bwiti and the Earth... and learning a lot along the way.
Anyone who feels called to cultivate a meaningful and deep relationship with plant teachers, lineages, nature and themselves will benefit from hearing the words in this podcast. I can’t wait for you to take this conversation in… enjoy!
Topics Covered:
Chors story of overcoming addition with Iboga to becoming an ordained as a Bwiti Nganga
Elizabeth’s journey with plant medicine that eventually led to Iboga
The different levels of Bwiti initiations
Working with teachers who are in integrity to the tradition
The Missoko Assenguidia branch of Bwiti
Bwiti as the original ancient study of the human mind
How to be in relationship with nature and our ancestors
What it means to be a participant in your own healing
Connection to spirit through Truth rather than beliefs
How to use intuition to confirm Truth the correct way
The skills of decrement and adapting on the medicine path
The colonized mind and mind hoarding
What it means to be a bridge between Bwiti and the Western mind
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“Modalities are things that should be put in the background because you’re coming into a tradition that is going to show you about your modalities.
It’s gonna show you about your modalities, and it’s gonna tell you the truth about them. ”
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“Iboga is very much a medicine of prophecy, but not in the written in stone kind of way. It’s more trajectory. If you keep going in this direction, what’s there? If you go in this direction, what’s there?”
Where to find Elizabeth and Chor:
About Elizabeth:
Elizabeth Bast serves as a writer, certified yoga teacher, performance artist, Bwiti initiate & traditionally trained ceremonial facilitator, speaker/educator, & holistic coach specializing in sacred plant medicine support, spirit-led addiction recovery, & visionary life design. She is a lifelong devotee of plant medicine, ceremony, and prayer, having been raised within a long family line of plant healers and an inter-tribal community with traditional ceremony. Her greater intentions are to help facilitate 100% natural bliss, synergy between culture and nature, and conversations between the old & new ways of knowing. She studied at New College of San Francisco with an emphasis on Art and Social Change. Bast completed the transformational coach training program with Being True to You.
Bast is the author of HEART MEDICINE: A True Love Story, an intimate memoir about a healing experience with the African sacred medicine, iboga.
Bast is a recipient of a "Women of the Psychedelic Renaissance" grant from the psychedelic feminist organization Cosmic Sister and a member of Cosmic Sister's Expert Advisory Circle.
In 1993, Bast began a passionate practice of hatha yoga. In 2004, she completed the Interdisciplinary Hatha Yoga Teacher Training at the Nosara Yoga Institute. In 2010, she completed the Anusara Yoga Teacher Training through Katchie Ananda. She continues to study teachings of the Sri-Vidya sakta tantra tradition through Janice Craig.
Since 2007, she has lived and co-created with artist Chor Boogie. Together, they have produced numerous collaborations of visual and performance art at galleries, museums, and special events.
After their healing experience with iboga, Bast and Chor Boogie were inspired to give back. In December 2014, the couple traveled to Gabon, Africa, where they began their iboga provider training and experienced a traditional Bwiti initiation, Rite of Passage, and wedding. They are educators and activists for iboga, sacred medicine sustainability, the Bwiti tradition, drug policy reform, and holistic addiction treatment. They serve as iboga providers with the SOULCENTRO team.
Bast is currently based in the San Francisco Bay Area & Costa Rica.
About Chor:
Chor Boogie, a.k.a. Joaquin Lamar Hailey, is a critically acclaimed spray paint artist. He was recently honored by Société Perrier as being number three among the Top Ten U.S. Street Artists. His visionary murals and art exhibitions have appeared all over the globe including venues such as the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games, the Smithsonian, Museum of Public Arts in Baton Rouge, Museum of Art Puerto Rico, the LA Art Fair, Torrance Art Museum in Los Angeles, Museum of Contemporary Art in San Diego, Museum of Man in San Diego, San Diego Museum of Art, Children’s Museum in San Diego, Syracuse University Museum, and the Vision Arts Festival in Crans-Montana, Switzerland.
In October, 2010 Chor Boogie’s “The Eyes of the Berlin Wall”, sold for 500,000 euro making history for the street art genre. His politically charged series “The Divided States of America,” commissioned by the entrepreneur Nirmal Mulye, was exhibited in 2012 in conjunction with the Democratic National Convention at the Elder Gallery. Clients include Google, Playboy, the Ritz Carlton, MTV Arabia, Anthony Robbins, Heineken, the Blackstone Group, Zazzle.com, Rock the Bells, and the TJ Martell Foundation. His portraits have been commissioned by celebrities such as Hugh Hefner, Jay Z, the artist formerly known as Prince, Lady Sovereign, Wu-Tang Clan, Rage Against the Machine, and N.W.A.
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Chor Boogie is recognized for having achieved a groundbreaking level of technical and emotional virtuosity in the medium of spray paint. He approaches his use of color as a form of therapy and visual medicine, and has been dubbed “the color shaman” by comrades and fans. He was first nurtured by the world of street art and is primarily a self-taught artist. He draws inspiration from artists such as Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Rembrandt, Klimt, Van Gogh, Dali along with his early personal spray paint mentors Phase2, Vulcan, and Riff170 who were among the first notable creators in the street art and hip hop cultural movements.
Through his dynamic range of artistic styles, Chor addresses issues of race, class, gender, neo-imperialism, corporate corruption, substance abuse, health care, drug policy reform, and the rights of indigenous peoples.
Chor uses his voice as an artist and public figure to raise awareness about indigenous African wisdom traditions. In 2014, Chor experienced a profound physical and spiritual healing with the aid of a traditional African Bwiti shaman and the African visionary sacred plant medicine, iboga. He then traveled to Africa to receive full initiation into his shaman’s Bwiti tribe and undergo the traditional Bwiti men’s Rite of Passage. Chor integrates traditional African imagery and elements of his iboga visions in select contemporary works, visually transmitting the very heart of the medicine and the Bwiti culture of healing.
He has resided in the San Francisco Bay Area since 2007 where he has been an active member of the street art community and has painted several notable commissioned public murals including “The Eyes of San Francisco,” “Purgatory,” and “Opium Horizons.”
“With his innovative techniques and spiritual color philosophies, Chor Boogie is the king.”
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Lana Pribic: [00:00:00] I'm here in beautiful Costa Rica at Soul Centro Retreats with Chor Boogie and Elizabeth Bast, and I'm so honored to be here speaking with you both today. Welcome to the show.
Chor Boogie: Thank
Elizabeth Bast: Thank you, Lana.
Lana Pribic: you. Thank you. So
Elizabeth Bast: to be here with you.
Lana Pribic: Thank you. Yeah, it's nice to be able to make eye contact with you both as we're having this conversation. So yeah, just to give listeners is
Visual. I'm here with you at your retreat center, soul Centro, in the beautiful greenery of Costa Rica. And before we begin, I wanted to put this out there.
Would anyone like to say a prayer or intention for our conversation today?
Elizabeth Bast: Thank you. I love to begin with a thank you. Thank you Iboga Medicine. Thank you for all that you have blessed us with the most bitter and the most sweet, the most devastating, the most liberating, most beautiful maestro for me in my life. [00:01:00] Thank you for evolving to serve human beings and serve this earth and the healing and the growth of this collective evolution of consciousness.
Thank you, Missoko Bwiti, elders, Missoko Bwiti, spirits that have studied and protected this medicine for eons. For passing down the ways, the intimacy, the knowledge, the power within to us, and thank you to the ancestors of this land in Costa Rica. Thank you to all of the nature spirits of this place
Chor Boogie: place
Elizabeth Bast: may be with us and bless this conversation for the benefit of all beings.
Thank you to my husband Chor, for all that you have learned and studied and endured to be here with me. [00:02:00] And thank you, Lana. Thank you so much for pursuing your passion.
Lana Pribic: Thank you, Bassé. Beautiful. Thank you. So let's start with whatever both of you would like to share about your story, your path, and what led you to doing the work, the powerful work that you're doing here today.
Chor Boogie: What led me to this path on this with this great medicine iboga, the Iboga. Basically my ancestors were calling me back to this medicine and they had an interesting way of showing it, and apparently I had to
Go through lessons in order to be reintroduced to this medicine. And those lessons were through addiction. And and yeah, I went through trials and tribulations throughout my life from a young age and decided [00:03:00] to get clean or sober off, substances at a young age at 22.
And was militant clean for 13 years until I decided to go back into that world again. And,
Elizabeth Bast: And,
Chor Boogie: I did for a couple years and then and initially it was right after I did an ayahuasca ceremony. And then I relapsed. And after that, I guess apparently, these medicines are in cahoots.
I ended up going on a little run for a couple years. And from there I ended up being reintroduced to, or introduced to iboga. And from there around 10 years ago I never looked back when it comes to working with this medicine and ended up
Learning the tradition. I think after the first[00:04:00] three to six or six months, we ended up heading to to Gabon to learn and study the tradition.
And we've been going back ever since for the past 10 years. I've definitely taken the initiative to learn more about the tradition to, to bring it to the west. And I've been ordained a Ganga, which is a traditional healer or what Westworld knows as a shaman. And and still learning to this day and apprenticing with my teacher, my grandmaster Biana and my spiritual mother, mama Nunu.
And they're teaching me the ways the traditional ways of working with this medicine and all other medicines. It's not just Iboga, it's working with all other medicines and knowing how to heal people, especially with Iboga. This is definitely been a life-changing experience for me.
Yeah. And lesson.
Lana Pribic: Thank you for [00:05:00] sharing. I'm gonna circle back to some of the stuff you said, but first, Elizabeth, can we hear from you about your story and what led you to this path?
Elizabeth Bast: Yes, thank you.
Chor Boogie: thank you.
Elizabeth Bast: Yeah I would say where it started for me was a decade of working with Ayahuasca, thereabouts, maybe seven or eight years, once or twice a year.
Lots of integration and a coming from a family of plant healers of many generations. That taught me to listen. And the Aya really, that opens us up to deeper relationships with all plants and the ecosystem. So when there was this healing crisis and it was very interesting how Aya proceeded a relapse, which is not what anybody in the psychedelic renaissance likes to hear.
But what resulted, however anyone wants to interpret that, [00:06:00] was a catalyst. A catalyst of meeting iboga because there came a point where it was extremely critical. And I learned just how critical it was and for me, what I saw as life-threatening, if it was gonna continue. And it was because of my relationship with plants and Aya and Mushroom, the sacred mushroom and Huachuma, like these plants that I had been in relationship with that I was able to hear Iboga. So when he shared with me more about what he was going through, I took a walk in nature and it was like something over a bullhorn within me, like reaching up from the depths of me that just said iboga. And in that moment, walking in nature, that Iboga, I didn't know where I'd heard about it. I didn't know how, I knew if it would be helpful.
I just, it was a call and then going home and doing research and us doing research and us really contemplating for a long time. And the more I learned about the medicine, the more I learned it was potentially helpful. For P T [00:07:00] S D, I have suffered trauma. From a very young age and had residual effects that were exhausting and really got in the way of my relationship with the present moment and my life and my creativity.
So I went forward with it for my own reasons and it was very hard on our relationship, the addiction. It was very challenging and I didn't know anything except for I was gonna do, I was gonna get myself to the medicine. I was gonna do my best to support
Chor Boogie: Chor
Elizabeth Bast: toward getting into the medicine. I didn't know anything after that much was revealed in that first journey of who we were to each other and what was possible for us.
If we choose it.
And Iboga
is very much a medicine of prophecy, but not in the written and stoned kind of way. It's more okay, trajectory. If you keep going in this direction, what's there? If you go in this direction, what's there? And sometimes certain things are [00:08:00] inevitable. Like eventual death, certain things are inevitable that we must face. So we got to see what would be waiting for us. And we saw being in Costa Rica and we saw children which our baby didn't come for six years. We thought, oh, maybe it's mo metaphorical. But it's all happening because we never gave up and we busted our asses for that vision. We never gave up. We worked on ourselves.
We kept moving forward. It was not a tidy easy path. But we respected those visions and those answers, and that's how we got here to Soul Centro. \
Lana Pribic: It's so beautiful being here and seeing your dream manifest. I just finished I've been reading your book, which for listeners out there, Elizabeth wrote a book about the whole
Elizabeth Bast: crazy psychedelic love story.
Very messy.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. Yeah. It's really good. You should, you guys should check it out.
But it's beautiful coming from reading about [00:09:00] that story back then and now visiting you both here and seeing the beautiful life that you've created and continue to create the guidance of the medicine.
Chor Boogie: Yeah.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. Thank you.
Elizabeth Bast: Thank you.
Lana Pribic: And,
Elizabeth Bast: I
Lana Pribic: to get some clarification for myself and for listeners. Chor, you mentioned you're a ganga.
Now there's very clear hierarchy within the Iboga path it seems like. Can you tell us a little bit about
Chor Boogie: About,
Lana Pribic: Yeah. What that path is like from being someone who is simply sitting with and experiencing the medicine, getting initiated becoming an Iboga provider? Then what is the name for being a, an initiate?
Banzi? Banzi Then there's the Ganga and the nema. Can you explain to the listeners all those terms
Chor Boogie: When it comes to becoming a banzi is when one hears the calling of joining the [00:10:00] tradition or being of reunited with the tradition through ancestral bloodline.
An initiate is a Banzi. So once you're initiated, you become a Banzi or, and you go through your rite of passage your rite of passage and you become a Banzi. Then then you go through the training and the studying and and that's some years of dedication, but anybody can become a ganga.
But it has to be, foreseen or seen by, by your grandmaster, your grandmasters, your teacher. And they know when you're ready. For me it took 10 years to get to that point. And
Now I'm on the next trajectory of becoming a nema, which is the next level of a ganga next level of a healer.
And then there's then after that, then there's a bika, which is what Beana is, or my grandma. He's a bika that's like the top of the top, and I've been through many different initiations when it comes to the levels of Bwiti, [00:11:00] there's there's an tica, there's a sobi there's the maa, there's There, there's also even a final level called the Zago which I've joined all of 'em.
I'm initiated in all of those. And these are very significant levels that enhance the your. Healing abilities, your healer abilities, especially becoming a NEMA or even a ganga. Yeah. Yeah, but it definitely takes time to, to learn all this stuff.
It's not necessarily a rush, even though when it comes to the Bwiti they, they want to get you in there. And start learning these traditional paths and these traditional levels. See, there's a differentiation between Westworld and what's going on there because
Elizabeth Bast: depending
Chor Boogie: on choice, an individual can go there and stay there for as long as they, as long as they need.
And. Advance in these levels, but that's highly unlikely, especially with somebody coming in from [00:12:00] Westworld, that is accomplishing things over here in Westworld to help advance the medicine, or bring the medicine to Westworld period. And so it's definitely gonna take its course.
It's definitely gonna take its time, depending on the individual. So some people do go there and stay for months, but
You also gotta be cautious or discerning about your teacher as well. Your teacher has to walk the lines of integrity when it comes to teaching you the true in real ways of the tradition of bwiti, and there are charlatans out there. There are shamans out there that that
are
are deceiving, and especially in Westworld and in in Gabon.
So you can't escape it. It's any it's everywhere. When it comes to any type of tradition, any type of plant medicine, there's definitely charlatans within, within, or we call 'em bandits [00:13:00] within these traditions.
So it's like one has to really know and really do the due diligence when it comes to the path that they wanna walk. Yeah. And the teachers that they wanna work with, or the teachers that they need to work with. Yeah.
Lana Pribic: We were speaking last night a little bit about tests on the spiritual path. And, passing tests. What do you believe that the role of these Yeah, these maybe healers and teachers that are not so in integrity. What is the role of them on one spiritual path? The way that we can take the situation, this person that maybe may not be beneficial and actually turn it into a lesson.
Chor Boogie: There's a reason for everything. There's a reason for everything when it comes to working with this medicine or any medicine when it comes to life in general.
You the perspective of your question of what you're saying is that it's a lesson. And that's what [00:14:00] it is. That's exactly what it is. These are these people are here for, to, to portray the lesson, to be the lesson for people that, that need to learn.
Especially if they don't do their due diligence and try to find who to work with, especially when it comes to working with somebody with that integrity. And usually it's based off somebody else's experience. It could be based off somebody else's experience when it comes to somebody else learning from somebody else's experience.
We went through the trials and tribulations with Shaman. And if one's gonna keep their mouth closed about that, then it's not gonna benefit the rest of the community because nobody's gonna learn. So if we put it out there that, if, you work with this one versus this one, then mark my words that, that it's the truth.
Most definitely. I. And that's one of the main operatives or the main goals of this tradition is the [00:15:00] integrity of the truth. And being in alignment with the truth and letting the truth be known. Yeah. And that's what we do.
We put that truth out there when it comes to me personally, naturally, and what we do here at Soul Central with, in full integrity and guidance of our grandmas and our teachers. Yeah.
Elizabeth Bast: I call them shadow teachers and they show us how not to be. We dealt with one early on in our journey with this medicine and coming to learn more about who this person really was. Over time, inconvenient truths, unpleasant, but there was no denying. And yet there's no excuse. There's no excuse for unethical behavior.
And I don't like it when people make the blanket statement that, oh, everything happens for a reason. That is a non-dual transcendent view. It is not the whole view. I appreciate everything happens for a reason. If we [00:16:00] make a reason so we can learn from
every situation, make medicine out of every situation, and.
And yet that experience was the greatest blessing because it led us to the real teachers, which we wouldn't have found without.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. And I'm not gonna disregard like a lot of things that we learned from that teacher because we did learn a lot of significant things from that teacher, but there was also a lot of things that were missing.
Yeah. A lot of things that were missing. When it comes to that reason that was just a drop in the bucket of that reason amongst many other things, many other reasons why we had to leave and and our new teachers came into our lives. It was almost like magnetics is like just a natural fact that.
That they had to come into our lives in order to correct and make corrections and because there's always room for corrections. And so we took advantage of the of the correction, and now we're [00:17:00] utilizing it within our practice today.
Lana Pribic: So you were able to find new teachers that are more in integrity and alignment with,
Chor Boogie: like that we found 'em, like they were already in our lives.
They
Elizabeth Bast: We met them on our,
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: met 'em when we first went to Africa. They were a part of the whole equation. We just, we just basically vented or complained, or not even complained, but like we expressed what happened to the other teachers, to the new teachers or to our spiritual father and spiritual mother.
And they didn't like it.
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. And
Lana Pribic: and
Chor Boogie: then they revealed a lot of stuff to us too. And then there was a separation.
Lana Pribic: There
Chor Boogie: was a separation. They, the Bwiti, they do not believe in
in
being
Like disappointed or mad at each other. They, but they keep their awareness up about certain situations and they they if they do not decide to work with that individual, they do not work with that individual until [00:18:00] things are 110% clear.
Yeah.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. And would you like to take a moment to share with the listeners, your teachers, and a little bit about Bwiti for people who are just tuning into an Iboga episode for the first time on the show. We've spoken a little bit about Bwiti before, but I would love to hear from both of you.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. Our, my grandma, his name is Biana which means Chief of the Village.
And my spiritual mother is mama Nunu, or Mama Kodi, which means the strings that hold up the temple. And, they're both, they've been, both been practicing, I want to say Bwiti since the 1960. So they've been around the block for a long while. And this is an oral tradition. The i is an oral tradition that's been passed on.
He's learned everything from his father from his father, and so on and so forth for who knows how long. And there's many different perspectives and many different philosophies when it [00:19:00] comes to the many different sects of the Bwiti. We come from the Missoko branch.
The Angia branch is basically the Missoko that are the spiritual, so soldiers and spiritual healers of other tradition amongst the other traditions. And are colors, are red, white, and black, which signify the red signifies menstrual blood. White signifies semen when you bring 'em together, creates life.
Black represents the universe. And that's the context within the whole that and The Bwiti is the study of life as we know it. And they they've been studying for eons. They say the Bwiti, the Bwiti began when the earth began. That's the Bwiti is. I
Lana Pribic: I feel that,
Chor Boogie: Yeah. The Bwiti began when the earth began. There's there's a book. There's, even though it's an oral tradition, there, there have been Bwitists that that have traditional philosophies that they've learned [00:20:00] through, through, through their traditions and of the bui. And there's a book by Prince Du it's like the black Bible of the bui, black Bible of the African Black Bible by the bou Tea tradition. And it explains a lot in depth of, many different levels of life, many different levels of death. And you can feel it when you read the book on how traditions started and how they evolved or migrated into other traditions surrounding Africa even outside of Africa and spanning over the globe.
You can totally see it. You can see it, you can actually see it within a ceremony in Africa. Yeah. The Bwiti is the study of life. Yeah.
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: Yeah.
Elizabeth Bast: Bwiti is not a religion.
Chor Boogie: No.
Elizabeth Bast: [00:21:00] And the Bwiti do not like that word religion because it insinuates beliefs. And a belief is very different from knowing. A belief is an artificial construct that can be put down at any time, whereas the truth lives. And is indestructible. So knowing and the art of knowing is very important.
There's a very deep study of the human being mind in the power of the human being, mind the dangers of the human being mind. I, this is og psychology studies ancient and the way of seeing and assessing that is ancient. There's so much depth there. I would love to see western psychology become humble students of these indigenous traditions that study the human being mind.
There's much to be learned, whereas our lineage in Western psychology is 120 years old, and much respect to that tradition, . But there is more to learn and I'm so grateful for the studies of the human being [00:22:00] mind, which have helped me so much with, I, I had no idea how much my mind was actually poisoning my body and creating biochemicals like cortisol and adrenaline through these habitual, addictive thought patterns like resentments. So there's this study of the mind and this study of life is a deep study of nature, which I live in every day to open our eyes in the west.
Our eyes are closed to. Being in constant communication and relationship with nature to look around and see what are the birds actually communicating what is happening? Every tree, every plant, every animal, every rock has something to teach us about life. And when we open our eyes, we don't suffer from that loneliness.
We don't suffer from that entropy of our own psychological neurosis. And not only that, there are offerings, there are songs to these spirits, like in a spiritual shower that we offer [00:23:00] connecting with, honoring, studying, invoking the power of and giving back. We give back, we make offerings.
And that doesn't mean, submission. There's a very hierarchical view in western religious institutions of submission that if I bow to something, if I make an offering for something, I'm worshiping that thing and it's relationship. If you give people birthday presents, why not?
Can you give a tree a birthday present too? So it's relationships and it's so beautiful to be in relationship and in relationship with our ancestors, to be in dialogue with our ancestors. Creator made this beautiful plant that allows us to pick up the phone line with our ancestors. So who are we to not appreciate that gift from creator?
It's a beautiful offering and a and this magnificent plant, which. It helps with shamanic prescription and diagnosis, right? There are many uses for iboga that are really not in the western ibogaine detox paradigm [00:24:00] that are incredible. There's a long list, so it's a profound, intricate, sophisticated, nuanced study of life and study of the soul bassi.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. So when it comes to thee, thee is the study of life. The Bwiti is the study of the mind, body and soul and correlation with the elements and the senses. And there's a deep study within the elements that it's deep study within the senses that make up the mind, body, and the soul.
We have to learn, study, observe. Know the mind, body, and soul in order to really traditionally heal somebody's mind, body, and soul. That's a big difference and a big differentiation between somebody that knows what they're doing and somebody that doesn't.
If they're not talking like that, then they don't know what they're doing. Yeah. Especially when it comes to healing somebody's mind, body, and soul, because you can really damage somebody's mind if you do not know what [00:25:00] you're doing. Especially with this medicine. Yeah. Any other medicine too, but mainly with this medicine.
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: So it's very serious work, and we do not take it lightly
Because you're working with the world. That you have no idea, not no idea that you're dealing with when it comes to the spirit world. And one has to really know how to navigate that world in order to help you navigate your mind.
'cause your mind has an instant connection to that world whether you like it or not, whether you know it or not. It's just, it's a natural thing when it comes to that instant connection that that that starring your third eye is that instant connection to that world. You gotta trust and know that the right person is gonna help you navigate through that.
Elizabeth Bast: Thank you for bringing that up. This is very serious work. It's also a very serious responsibility for someone coming to receive this [00:26:00] medicine. To be respectful of the traditional ceremony, to respect the medicine, to be willing to participate is essential and the medicine always teaches, it always teaches sometimes on a different timeline, sometimes in a very hard way.
It always teaches, but it's very beneficial to people that they must also that in a very good way.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. They have to respect themselves. Yeah. Trust themselves in order to
look.
Lana Pribic: For people who are listening and considering working with Iboga or any other plant medicine, what words of wisdom do you have for them around what it really means to be a participant and be in relationship with medicine instead of just, using it?
Elizabeth Bast: We come from in the west, the pill culture. Just take a pill and it will force you to do something like a magic puppet, and or get this instant relief. And what I see from a shamanic perspective, it is, it doesn't make things go away. It [00:27:00] shoves them way down to be dealt with later in a lot of cases with certain kinds of relationships to medications.
But, people come from that mindset of I want it easy. And I would say the medicine can only help us with what we are truly willing to look at. The medicine gives what people give to the experience and what people can give to the experience is attention, deep attention to everything that is offered.
And to be willing to look at ourselves and to be willing to look at the hard things that have happened in our life. 'cause the medicine will bring up for us to look at things that we haven't fully processed. That's what trauma is. It's some level of disassociation involved, mostly for most people.
And so it will bring up things to, to be completed in its digestion process, in the fire of consciousness. And someone needs to value challenge. Someone needs to value truth over comfort. Someone [00:28:00] needs to value that level of reflection and inventory. And to come with respect and gratitude in the heart for a and a awareness of the incredible.
blessing and privilege it is for anyone to have access to this medicine, especially a medicine from Africa that has come from so far away that is precious and takes at least a minimum of seven years to grow to maturity, to serve somebody. And when people come with that, like with gratitude and presence, that's all you need.
Gratitude, presence, respect, and tend your breath. And be very, very conscientious with the space that you choose. We put out a lot of material regularly on our social about being discerning and criteria and questions to ask. So just being very discerning. And loving yourself, respecting yourself, having compassion and patience, being willing to be corrected.[00:29:00]
It, this is not a medicine for people who always like to be right. It's a coping mechanism that there's a certain, certain certain bunch of people that from a very early age being correct has been a survival mechanism psychologically, and this is a medicine that will correct you.
And so that, that willingness to be humble is very beneficial with such a big medicine is what I would offer.
Chor Boogie: I have a saying when we have our fire talk and people come here and, as welcome to Soul Centro, where all your dreams come true with your participation, and when it comes to your participation is based off, off, off your thought process and your mentality and the way we the way you, you want to think about your self-discovery.
When it comes to modalities are things that should be put. In the background because you're coming into a tradition or [00:30:00] a modality that, that is, is going to show you about your modalities.
Yes. It's gonna show you about your modalities, and it's gonna tell you the truth about them. Yes. Whether it's for you or not. And then some people are resistant to that because they spent their whole lives on these modalities. And the suggestion is to put your modality on the back burner because you're about to learn something new about yourself that you never even knew.
And when it comes to a lot of suggestions to, to people coming to do iboga, it's gonna take a lot of strength, patience, tolerance, abundance. Genuine spiritual love. Attitude is gratitude, honesty, willingness, humbleness, health, wealth, wisdom, knowledge, trust, truth, acceptance, adjustments, intentions, enthusiasm, balance, originality and peace because positive energy activates constant elevation.
And[00:31:00] and that's the truth when it comes to wanting to come and see this medicine or introduce yourself to this medicine. It's gonna be based off your intentions. Yeah. And leaving and letting go of what you do not need in your life, what is not serving you. Yeah.
And at the end of the day it's gonna, it's gonna be your choice. No matter what, I don't care what type of work you seek outside of doing iboga. Whatever you wanna spend your money on is fine. It's your choice. But at the end of the day, no matter what, or whoever you decide to listen to at the end of the day you, the medicine is going to, is gonna let you know that you need to listen to yourself.
You need to listen to yourself and listen to and and yeah, listen to yourself and listen to the truth of what you need in your life. Versus what you want. Yeah. Yeah. I see.
Elizabeth Bast: I love how you [00:32:00] say you are the modality at the end of the day. There, there can be helpful modalities but ultimately you are the modality of the modalities and people need to be willing to set aside their other traditions there, other ways to walk in and leave space for something new.
'cause that's why they're here is for something new. And the only other thing that you did mention, but I wanna emphasize is honesty is telling the truth to your provider is being honest about what you're struggling with, about being honest about what you really want in your life. And being honest with yourself.
And when you're honest with your providers you are better able to be honest with yourself when you're honest with people that you trust close to you. You know that honesty is so key is it's critical for fruit with this medicine.
Lana Pribic: Yeah, I really saw, see myself in what you just ex explained about the modalities falling away. If I can just share a little bit about my experience with Iboga. [00:33:00] It gave me so much permission to let everything fall away. I was really following a lot of new age spirituality and even with working out the medicine was like, you don't need to be this crazy workout girl.
You just need to move your body and be healthy. That's all you need to do. You don't need to kill yourself in the gym. Since this experience I had six months ago, I. My life has changed completely in terms of how I spend my time, the way I speak to myself. It's so powerful in just scrubbing away all the shit that we don't need and like really bringing us towards what is right for us, what is true for us.
And that's why I think like the mental preparation is the most important with Iboga. Would you agree? Because you have to mentally be prepared for a completely different life. It might like, people say they want freedom, people say they want happiness, and they have an idea of what that might look like, but Iboga [00:34:00] shows us that it looks so different than what we thought it would.
Do you see that often? Oh
Elizabeth Bast: yeah. And thank you for bringing this up because, oh, I want a new life. I want a new life. I'm suffering in all these ways, but often those patterns I. That people so badly want to release have also helped them to survive. Or people think they have helped them to cope and survive and when they start to move away, whew.
It can be a lot. Iboga is half destruction, but then half creation where we must decide how we are creating our life. And I see this too, this like you said, the kind of overworking out this over disciplined approach to your life is actually like many people deeply rooted into the overdoing of the west.
This maniacal approach to productivity and puritanical approach to living in the right way, when [00:35:00] really it's about the soul's pleasure and connection to nature and connection to balance, right? That so when you come in praying for a new life, That's exactly what you'll get. And it's a process.
It's really interesting when people's crutches and start to fall away, their 30 year old band-aids start to fall away, and then it's time to create and enjoy. This is a medicine that actually, it has this intense reputation, but where it's taking us is peace, bliss, and enjoyment of the moment, access to the moment that wasn't there before.
And a beautiful relationship with our mind, which is a practice every day.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. Yeah. 'cause every day is a training day. Every day is training day. And every day is practicing your training, your mental training. This medicine is literally like taking the red pill and unplugging from the matrix.
And when it comes to one relearning, Unlearning to relearn how to create their [00:36:00] lives. It's like literally starting a new chapter in their book or throwing that old book away and writing a old new book. From that moment on and being able to create their lives. 'cause everybody's a creator.
Everybody's a creator in some way, shape, or form. Some people just don't know it. Some people, when they do find out through the medicine that they don't want to, they don't wanna, they don't wanna know it or they don't wanna accept it and that's why they're at where they're at. But I'll say 90, 99% of the people that do come and do this medicine, they they do get it.
They do get it. Yeah. And they do understand overstand and understand the medicine to the point where, okay, I can create my life and here on out. Yeah. Because that's my choice. And they decide to do that. Yeah. So once one decides to do that, makes a conscious decision to do that.
After the medicine then abundance, and then everything starts rolling in the universe [00:37:00] is throwing a bunch of love towards that individual because they know that they're, they decided to change their life from then on there in that point on. And but the choice is yours.
The choice is up to the individual. It's definitely not a magic peel, but it, there is, it is magic. I see. It's definitely magic. I
Lana Pribic: agree.
Chor Boogie: I know. It
Lana Pribic: closest thing to a magic pill that I've discovered. It's
Chor Boogie: the closest thing. It's the closest thing to a savior that you will ever find on this planet.
The closest thing, because it takes you there. can, it'll take you there to see the savior. Yeah. And some people have disbelief, some because that's just it. They're believing versus knowing. And when it comes to knowing what this medicine can do for you they actually know that, wow.
Yeah. This is some something supernatural. This is definitely supernatural, super real. And it's real,
Lana Pribic: but also really human. Oh yeah.
Chor Boogie: yeah. Very
Lana Pribic: medicine 'cause it's like an [00:38:00] initiation into what it really means to be human.
Elizabeth Bast: bussy. Oh.
Chor Boogie: it's really
Lana Pribic: human.
Elizabeth Bast: and,
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. It's alive.
Elizabeth Bast: I would just like to add that this medicine is a savior because it shows you, you are your savior.
Chor Boogie: Yes.
Elizabeth Bast: it gives us all of the help we need to save ourselves Bassé.
Chor Boogie: Bassé. Bassé. It brings you to that point. But then it also lets you know this is bigger than all of us. This is bigger than all of us. Yes, it is much way bigger than all of us. And so it'll take you to, to the saviors and beyond.
Trust me. I know. 'cause I take people there to see them.
Lana Pribic: So I have a question around the spiritual aspect of Iboga and spirit and working with Spirit, because like I said I felt this sense of being initiated into life on Earth as a human with Iboga. And there was this like primal, ancient, ancestral feeling of. I am human and I am here to be a creator and I am here [00:39:00] to learn from nature and all that stuff.
And I'm curious, as you advance on your path with Iboga, as you continue to work with Iboga, is there, greater teachings around connecting with spirit and building that bridge? 'cause I don't feel like I have that at the moment. I'm just like, so human. So happy to be human, so happy to be here.
And yeah, I'm wondering like what that connection is, especially when it comes to oui not having a belief system. Like how do we work with knowing within the spirit realm?
Elizabeth Bast: Thank you. That's a good place to start being human, right? That's a good place to start. And there are layers. I have noticed a deepening in my relationship with Iboga over this almost a decade now. And at first it was just cleaning up my own head. Oh my God, there's a lot in there.
I booga through the floodlights on and I got to see just how polluted and overpacked the [00:40:00] basement and the attic of my mind is. There's so much in there, so much neurosis that I was entertaining that I didn't think mattered like resentments right. Or worries and what it was really doing to me.
So at first it's tending our mind, which tends our relationship with the present moment. There's definitely a deepening with spirit and especially in relationship to this medicine is what I can speak to when all the neurosis is out of the way and the noise pollution is gone. Who you can interact with the ecosystem, interact with spirit on a whole different level.
And still like any knowledge from spirit I feel can be verified through our lived. Sensory experience personally and things have happened like this, like noise pollution outta the way, and several years into my apprenticeship and my relationship with Iboga, [00:41:00] learning to be an Iboga provider. One of the most important elements of that is learning to listen to the medicine, which is a different voice from my own mind, which is different from something within me.
It's a spirit, it's a particular communication and getting prompts because there's, I could hear it, I hear it, not audibly, but hear it, in the third eye kind of way. And then those answers are verified. Those answers become verified. Like the story I told you about the ancestral burial ground out here that we learned about before we knew anything about it.
And then had that verified or. Getting answers and insights about people that, okay, that's verified and verified all of these messages. Oh, okay. That is real, that was happening for that person. It's a very important skillset to be able to get insights about people that you're working with.
Lana Pribic: Can you let listeners know [00:42:00] how we verify truth in Bwiti?
Elizabeth Bast: Ah, I love this question. You know this one? Yes. We utilize at least three of our six senses which includes intuition. That's how we verify with at least three of those. And some say there's even more, but at least three, it's a lot of people will.
Will go on something that's just straight from their mind, right? Or intuition alone, which maybe isn't intuition, but trauma response or something being regurgitated. It can't, that's not enough. We need to verify, oh, someone is mad at you. Go and talk to them. And so with the verification, it's with our senses and communication, it's all very grounded in that way, a lot of people can go off into fantasy and delusion just based on what has been generated from the mind and one thing Iboga taught me to do.
When you have a thought, when you have an assessment, something you [00:43:00] know that you are taking as fact that has been generated by the mind question, is that a hundred percent true? If it's 50% true, it's not true. If it's 80% true, if it might be true, it's not true. What is a hundred percent true? And focus your thoughts there, even beyond the new age world of positive thinking, that can be a lot of delusion.
That can be delusion, that can be fantasy. Oh, I can I'm a capable of, building, I doing anything I want. But no, you can't build a rocket ship and go there tomorrow. So focus on yeah, what is true, and it really changes the whole relationship with the mind
Lana Pribic: And the mind is not a sense, the mind is not a sense. So the mind interprets our senses. Exactly. So follow up question for that, which is like a million dollar question for me 'cause I've been wanting. About ever since I learned about this tradition of confirming truth through the senses is how does one use intuition to confirm truth, and how do we know that we're not using the monkey mind.
Chor Boogie: [00:44:00] So when it comes to this technology,
when it comes to this medicine, the technology of this medicine, it's there are many different levels that the mind cannot comprehend unless you really walk the path of the Bwiti t. There's things that, that I can't even speak about to, to an average person because they wouldn't understand.
They wouldn't even know. Or they're not even allowed to know. Because that's how powerful the knowledge within the Bwiti is. And when, if one walks that path then they can learn these traditions, they can learn these ways, they can learn this knowledge or this technology even more.
when it comes to the differentiation between beliefs and knowing, see beliefs are limited. They're limited to an a certain extent because an individual may believe something, and that there [00:45:00] may not even be an actual an actual fact to that belief versus, versus the art of knowing.
When it comes to knowing, it to be true. We definitely use our our intuition when it comes to our senses and and to validate the truth, to validate the truth. Me personally when I'm working with the medicine, I'm working with a client or working with a patient, then I'm with the medicine and the medicine is with me, and the medicine is working with me audibly in intuitively and naturally.
As I'm working with this individual, letting me know what's going on inside that mind. Letting me know, giving me the pointers and the tools to actually help this person navigate and get certain things out of there, out of their mind, body, and soul. It depends on your relationship with this medicine.
It depends on the individual's relationship with this medicine and how far they want to take their,
Lana Pribic: [00:46:00] So it's advanced teachings is what I'm
Chor Boogie: definitely advanced way. Super advanced. Yeah. Super
Lana Pribic: advanced,
Chor Boogie: Okay you went and did iboga six months ago, and
Lana Pribic: I'm an infant.
Chor Boogie: exactly. It's just a drop in a bucket.
But I know personally that when it comes to your journey, there's certain things that didn't take place that can give you certain answers. That that you may need to help elevate your education when it comes to the bui. If that's your path, if that's something, if that's something that is in alignment with you
like taking you back to your first ancestor and then healing the entire ancestral bloodline
Lana Pribic: Wow.
Chor Boogie: from that person on all the way up to you.
Lana Pribic: Wow.
Chor Boogie: And then finding out if you have there's many ways of working with this technology, taking you the distance out into the universe to where you can really find true answers [00:47:00] and speak to true entities that that can answer your questions and that can that can help heal you.
Mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Lana Pribic: Ooh, yeah. Chills.
Chor Boogie: This is what we do here. Yeah.
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: This is what we do with a tradition. With the tradition that's respecting them with the tra, with a relationship, with this tradition that, that we have learned. And doing it the right way,
The proper way, the real way.
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: That is how important this technology
Lana Pribic: is.
Chor Boogie: Like
Lana Pribic: Like
Chor Boogie: Even when it comes to okay, an individual reuniting with their soul. There, there's a way to, to literally reconnect somebody with their soul. And it's a code that you have to work within you and your soul in order to become one.
See, and not a lot of this is practice with other facilities and other quote unquote initiates. To me, there's still [00:48:00] ies there's certain technologies that they need to know to learn in order to help really reconnect somebody to their soul so that soul stays with you for good.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. And that's the real healing, right? Yeah. That's, it's the real healing. Yeah.
Chor Boogie: That's one aspect of the real realist healing, and there's many different levels.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing.
Chor Boogie: Oh, no it is not. Thank you. It's just, it's the truth. This is the medicine speaking through me.
Whenever I do these, that is the medicine talking.
Because it's so natural, my relationship with the medicine is just is my savior. Yeah. Yeah.
Lana Pribic: yeah.
And
Chor Boogie: it put me in my position.
It put me in the position that I am in today when it comes to becoming a healer.
Like one really has to really know this stuff.
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: There's, like I said there's a lot of [00:49:00] imposters out there, but but like we spoke about it earlier there's lessons to be learned.
Lana Pribic: Yes.
Elizabeth Bast: And so much to be, there's so many blessings from just meeting the medicine.
Chor Boogie: Yeah.
Elizabeth Bast: So many blessings that are so like even though we started with someone who didn't have everything for us, it was still valuable. Yeah. And very valuable. Very valuable. Put us on a path.
Chor Boogie: Put us on our path. Yeah. So we gotta be, we're grateful for that, humbly speaking. But now things change.
We had to switch to another path, switch to another path. That's the realest path for us.
Yeah.
Elizabeth Bast: It's one of the greatest life skills that Iboga has helped teach me more about is adaptation
And studying my Bwiti name, you, my Bwiti name is River Rivers. Move forward. There's no such thing as an obstacle for a river, for the most part. [00:50:00] For the most part, tree falls down, keep going. There's so much to be learned from a river. And Iboga has taught me how to really tune into that power. And
Chor Boogie: And mine is nyang, which means the sun. And yeah. And you can totally see it. Sense it, fill it within my energy.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. You have a very Yeah. Like illuminating energy. Yeah. When you are around. Yeah.
Chor Boogie: that name came from the medicine. Came from the medicine, came from the tradition. It came to me. I didn't even know what it meant at first.
Lana Pribic: It's your unique signature, your unique gift to share with the world. Yeah.
Chor Boogie: this is our, these, this is our names.
These are real spiritual names.
Lana Pribic: Do you have Gabonese in your lineage?
Chor Boogie: There is definitely some Bwiti blood in my bloodline, leading all the way down to Bobongo, the pygmy.[00:51:00] Yeah. And that's scientifically proven, but I didn't need science to do know that. Like I, the medicine told me, but I went and did the blood tests and everything and all that stuff, and lo and behold there, yes it's in there.
Lana Pribic: Amazing, yeah. Amazing.
I have two more questions for you both. I've heard you both speak on this idea of the colonized mind, and I want you to speak a little bit on that, particularly around yeah, what it means to be a bridge between Africa and the West.
Elizabeth Bast: Oh, I love this question. Oh, rich yes. I have been studying colonized mind for a long time, and thanks to my mother who taught me and then now more than ever, so we see that there's so many ways our minds can be colonized. Our relationship to time, our relationship to work, our relationship to relationships, our relationships to our children.
There's so many ways and one of the primary.[00:52:00] Symptoms of a colonized mind is living in a way that is completely dominated by the intellect. And the intellect is worshiped as our highest function and our highest way of knowing. And that's really unfortunate. There are other ways of knowing that have completely blown my mind in working with Bwiti, getting answers in different ways.
And the intellect is a valuable tool. It's really great for plane tickets and taxes and all kinds of things. it's also what's killing the planet are fancy intellects and all the pathologies that are infested in it. It's the intellect that dreams up the the things that are eating the earth right now.
So the intellect finds its place as a servant of the soul and not the master of everything. But that is one of the fundamental things that we see. And people can really fight with their intellectual beliefs with this medicine. 'cause this medicine's gonna if something's not entirely true and it's an artificial construct, it's going to take it apart.
So also our relationship to the economy is highly [00:53:00] colonized, right? Our relationship to the art of being, always being on a schedule, always being dominated by a schedule, for example, right? Is one way we can be colonized. So when people come here, there is decolonizing that happens. And that's why we, one of the reasons why people need to come here to visit us at Soul Central in Costa Rica before they go to Africa, is there's some decolonizing work to do.
And e even in the relationship to our own body. There's, it's so deep where everything is commodified in the colonized mind. Every, everything has, everything is, has a price when in fact we're living in a world where everything is priceless, right? Like blueberries are fricking priceless. They're a priceless gift.
You happen to pay so much per pound so you can have it, but that recognition that everything is priceless, everything is sacred, these kinds of things come through the decolonizing work and the ability we have to see who's gonna behave when we take them to see our elders in Africa, who's gonna [00:54:00] respect the indigenous ways of knowing and the ceremony.
And not try to think that, getting out of the customer consumer mindset,
Yeah, that type of thinking instead of the student devotee mindset, it's very different. It's a privilege to be able to come and pay for anything you get from nature, right? But to know that you are a student at devotee and a servant to help with sustainability. So that's one of the most important parts of the Colonized Mind.
That's a whole book really, of a question as an answer, but the intellect dominates everything. And sometimes people can have encyclopedias stored in their mind that are actually getting in the way of the ability to clearly see the present moment.
Chor Boogie: Another perspective of colonized minds, basically feeds into mind hoarding. You need a mind hacker to go in there to help somebody navigate their encyclopedias or their the mind, their mind hoarding because their minds [00:55:00] have a mind of their own.
And you need somebody to go in there to help de decolonize that. But when it comes to the actual facts of decolonization and decolonizing one's mind is the fact of appropriation when it comes to one's mentality that, that they built this appropriated mind subconsciously or consciously, whether they liked it or not.
They've they've adjusted their mind in that sense. So some people appropriate naturally entitlement Yeah. Through entitlement and don't even, don't, not even consciously aware of it. And so when they come and work with this medicine, the medicine is gonna show them that, or it's gonna enhance that and it's gonna reveal those actions to the the healer.
Whether the individual wants to correct it or not. And we've dealt with a lot of people like that that their entitlement has showed, and they did not want to correct it because the, they thought that they were right, but but they ended up here, they ended up doing the medicine in [00:56:00] some way, shape, or form, because they thought they were gonna come and take a magic pill and it was gonna magically heal their mind.
But no, the medicine has something else in store for you because it wants to show you who you really are. When it comes to, when it comes to people actually mind hoarding so much information in their mind and information overload. After information overload your mind's gonna get congested.
It's gonna get congested to the point where it needs a reset. It needs to be cleaned. Or if not, you're just gonna keep filling that mind up with information to the point where it's gonna explode internally. It is gonna reveal itself through your actions.
Lana Pribic: And your health, right?
Chor Boogie: All of it. All of the above.
Lana Pribic: It's
Chor Boogie: it's just gonna reveal itself. And you need medicines like this to help to help an individual navigate through all that and to learn how to unlearn or learn how [00:57:00] to let things go. Let a lot of that stuff go clean house. But yeah I had to base that on two different perspectives when it comes to, to, to the colonized mind, because the colonized mind is also based off appropriation.
And off mental congestion. So when it comes to the appropriation aspect yeah there's people that, that are in this world, running this world that are colonizing other people's minds. They, it's not the fact that they, okay, we're gonna colon colonize this territory or colonize your tradition or colonize what you do or
Lana Pribic: already done all that, so they're moving on to the mind.
Chor Boogie: we're gonna colonize your
Lana Pribic: Yeah.
Chor Boogie: and control your mind. And this is why we teach the people teach people or help people navigate with this medicine, how to control their mind versus their mind controlling them, and teaching them, going, teaching 'em to go down that path to learn these new ways. Because [00:58:00] once one is in control of their mind, like I said, the mind has a mind of its own. And that mind has a mind of its own. And that mind and down, down the line, you have to go in there and straighten all these minds out to where it's just your mind and you're in control.
Vai,
Elizabeth Bast: I'm gonna add one thing to the colonized mindi. The illusion of separation is a part of the colonized mind. That is what allows like for example we are not separate. We're a part, we're in relationship. We're, we are a peace in the whole. And when we see that we are separate, like it could be called the Cartesian split of me and other, right?
That's what allows all of the domination, exploitation, manipulation, that has gone with this type of thinking that which was a part of the manifest destiny [00:59:00] philosophy in America. Take it, you deserve to take it if you can. It's yours, right? And that comes from the illusion of separation. And that must be healed if the planet is to survive.
'cause right now the extraction happens based on the illusion of separation and the way our whole economy is created, which is like a giant pyramid scheme with debt interest, thank you Charles Eisenstein is a great scholar to, to research, but that extraction, that gaining at the expense of another, that is the colonized mind. And we must learn that we are connected and treat each other as such, and treat all as such and all in the earth as such.
Chor Boogie: And so what one of the solutions, one of the solutions to this colonized mind is literally having a paradigm shift. A paradigm shift, that is gonna be enticed by the medicine. And that's and that is one of the main goals, main perspectives of what this medicine truly is [01:00:00] and can't do is help an individual, push an individual to a paradigm shift.
And having a paradigm shift within their life to change their trajectory mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally. All the above.
Lana Pribic: So much love and gratitude for Iboga and the master plant teachers that are here to remind us. And what does it mean for you both to be a bridge between Africa and the Western mind, the colonized mind.
Elizabeth Bast: Oh, I just think of. My teachers smiles, I think, of how they fill up the temple with the medicine of who they are and how much they want to share their teachings with the world. And it lights me up to help them be amplified. 'cause they know the world needs some help right now. And they're like, we got some medicine.
They recently shared the most beautiful message [01:01:00] to psychedelic therapy students at Naropa University. And it's out there on their YouTube Biana and Mama Nunu, sharing that there was a time that Iboga was hidden for good reason, because of the colonized mind, because of the slavery and domination and persecution.
And now they said times are changing, adaptation being present in the moment. Right now it's time to share, really share. And I see that. There are different ways that we can all have abundance. There are not at the expense of another. I would love to see here part of this, I see it as like a triangle, with Africa.
And by the way, everything that we do, all of the work that we do is blessed by them. They I want to be a part of this. And we help prepare people to go deeper into the tradition in Africa. And this medicine is for visionary people. I just wanna put this out there. [01:02:00] It's not just for people in crisis, and it's definitely for people in crisis.
Mental health and addiction and trauma is for visionary people who want that neurological super neurotropic to get to the vision that we need to have a sustainable life on earth as a human species. And not only sustainable, but synergistic with nature. Let's get the visionary entrepreneurs and creators and scientists and policymakers.
Politicians like th thi this medicine can help with solutions. This is, I credit that word to chore, soul ocean solutions. Yes. And this is all blessed by them. And everything that we share, everything that we speak is blessed by them. So there's that. Relationship.
Lana Pribic: The prophecy of the eagle, the condor, and the porcupine we were laughing about yes. And chore. What does it mean for you to be that bridge?
Chor Boogie: So when it comes to that being that bridge, or when it comes [01:03:00] to that bridge, like I know that not everybody's gonna make it. I know that for a fact. Because based off their decisions and choices not everybody's gonna come and do plant medicines. Not everybody's gonna come and do iboga.
Not everybody's gonna, not everybody's gonna listen to themselves. I see. Not everybody wants healing because they already think they, they think they're healed. That leads me to the term that not everybody's gonna make it but we have a good chance to bring the chosen ones, across that bridge if they decide to make that choice.
And that being said is that why am I putting the chosen ones on this pedestal? That's because they decided to listen to the paradigm shift and change their lives. They choose
Elizabeth Bast: choose themselves,
Lana Pribic: Yeah,
Chor Boogie: they chose themselves and they chose to heal themselves.
They chose to walk the path, and when it comes to this bridge, see we're in full Reciprocity. When it comes to this bridge, you need [01:04:00] reciprocity in order to really make things work and make things flow.
Elizabeth Bast: how nature works,
Chor Boogie: especially when it comes to, especially when it comes to the sustainability of this medicine, the sustainability of this medicine, and rebuilding these villages, and keeping the tradition alive.
This is all a part of bridge making and bridge building and crossing people crossing people across the bridge, that is the direct correlation to to, to the bridge itself and bridging Westworld with the medicine. And but like I said, it depends on whoever wants to cross the bridge, and not a lot of people are crossing the bridge at this moment, but, I believe it's picking up, I believe it's picking up, the right, but the but the right people. But the right people are crossing the bridge right now at this very moment.
Lana Pribic: Bless you.
Chor Boogie: I know that for a fact because we're helping 'em cross it, it's, Iboga isn't for everybody.
Elizabeth Bast: no
Chor Boogie: bog [01:05:00] isn't for everybody. And you can say that about any medicine, I think it's just, pick, you gotta be chosen by your medicine.
Elizabeth Bast: I see that the people who are called, the ones who choose themselves there's medicine in everything that they do.
The medicine works through people to affect the whole, just like Cho's paintings that he painted are medicine to look at. We can create things in our lives. That benefit everyone with the intelligence of the medicine. So this medicine is not for everyone. It's not oh, everyone needs to do this medicine and it'll save the planet.
That's not what I'm saying. You know it, the medicine reaches many through a few, and even those who experience the medicine must choose to allow themselves to be helped and must choose to listen to their answers and practice their answers, and choose to continue to listen to the spirit of the medicine.
Yeah. [01:06:00] So there's that.
Chor Boogie: they have to look, listen, and learn when it comes to the gifts that they're given by the medicine. See, this is not okay. We're gonna go do this plant medicine over here for, three times a week or three times a month, and not and you have to go through this, through all these experiences.
But and I have to ask the question where you still haven't found it yet, but when it comes to crossing that bridge and working with the, with Iboga, you are definitely gonna find the answer. You're definitely gonna get the truth. You're definitely gonna get the answer, and it's gonna be your choice to listen to it.
I see.
Lana Pribic: It's a clear and direct bridge. Yeah. There is no fog on the bridge. No,
Chor Boogie: none at all. Yeah. It's reality. That's what the Bwiti say. This is no, that, it's some people think it, it's a dream state, but no. They're like, no, it's reality.
Lana Pribic: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Bossy. Bossy. Thank you both. Welcome. This has been, so I'm happy that I have a few more days here with you, so I get to continue this conversation. But for the sake of not having a [01:07:00] three hour podcast, thank you. We'll wrap things up here. But thank you for sharing and for your generosity and sharing about Iboga and Bwiti and for the work that you're both doing in the world and for your integrity and for your service to the truth within yourself within the
Elizabeth Bast: Bai. It's such a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you for your beautiful
Chor Boogie: you questions.
Lana Pribic: Thank you.
You.
Elizabeth Bast: Bai.
Chor Boogie: Yeah. Thank you.
Lana Pribic: you. And how can people, so Cho is a visual artist. Elizabeth has written a book which we didn't get to touch on, but how can people connect with both of you and Soul Centro?
Elizabeth Bast: Eo centro.com is where you can learn about our retreat offerings. We're building a new site, which will be abundant in educational materials and literature and videos and information about our trips to Africa.
You can find out about my book@ebast.net and you can find my social through e bast.net. [01:08:00] Personally.
Chor Boogie: Yeah, you can find me through chore boogie C H o r b double o g i e.com.
When it comes to soul centro soul centro.com. Yes we are soul Centro is definitely picking up here, and we are in the process of building a world class center here in Costa Rica. So
Elizabeth Bast: and we have an existing center
Chor Boogie: as well, and we do have an existing center as well that, that really people one by one and but yeah, there's there, there's more to come.
And you can find him also on Instagram at nyang gu until it's G N Y A N G O U.
Lana Pribic: Thank
Chor Boogie: you, Lana. Thank you.
