115 | One Year After 5-MeO-DMT: Real Talk About Integration w/ Steve Rio (Enfold)
“5-MeO allowed my nervous system and body to do what they wanted to do—without my ego or defenses getting in the way. That release was life-changing.”
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In this special collaborative episode of Modern Psychedelics and Still In It, Lana and Steve Rio reflect on the profound journey of transformational integration one year after Lana’s transformative 5-MeO-DMT experience at Enfold. Together, they explore the powerful shifts in nervous system regulation, personal growth, and the expansive nature of living a heart-centered life.
Lana candidly shares how the Enfold experience reshaped her relationship with her past, her family, and herself. She delves into the importance of creating intentional space for integration and honoring the cycles of life. Steve offers insights from his role as a facilitator, emphasizing the interplay of energy, connection, and preparation in medicine work.
This episode is an inspiring conversation about the intersection of psychedelics, spirituality, and humanity. It serves as a guide for those curious about 5-MeO-DMT, nervous system healing, and the ongoing process of integrating such profound experiences into daily life. We hope you enjoy the listen (or watch!)
Topics Covered:
The unique elements of the Enfold 5-MeO-DMT experience
Lana’s journey of nervous system healing and regulation
Somatic release of childhood wartime trauma
Integration practices and the importance of honoring one’s energy cycles
Transforming limiting beliefs and stepping into abundance
The interplay of ego, Self, and love in psychedelic integration
The power of intentional facilitation and creating a safe container
Exploring creativity, self-expression, and human connection post-ceremony
Insights into the preparation and integration process for 5-MeO-DMT
Reflections on stepping into facilitation and the path of service
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About Steve Rio:
Steve Rio is the Co-Founder of Enfold. He’s a transformational performance coach, psychedelic guide, spiritual teacher, musician, entrepreneur and investor. His life’s work focuses on raising consciousness and helping people realize their full potential. Steve sits on the board of TheraPsil, is an advisor to Numinus, Holos Global, and Nikean Foundation.
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Speaker: Hello, my friends. I am bringing you a very, very special, extra special episode today, recorded live in Vancouver, British Columbia with myself and Steve Rio. We are talking today about the ups and downs of 5meo DMT integration.
And this episode was actually recorded for their 5meo DMT stories podcast called still in it. And so we're actually launching it both here and there. And if you're curious about 5meo and the transformations that it can create for people.
Check out the still in it podcast where they have previous guests come on the show and share about it. Steve interviewed me for this episode and we really wanted to. Um, so I wanted to, uh, honor and bring some light to the realities of working with 5MEO DMT, which has been absolutely paradigm shifting and groundbreaking for me.
It's a very complicated medicine [00:01:00] with a lot of nuance and with hard work and dedication to the process, I find that it can be a medicine that really transforms a lot energetically and therefore externally as well.
Steve and I, whenever we get together, we just have the best conversations. He's one of my favorite humans to talk to. And so of course this episode is jam packed with wisdom, but also laughter and honestly, just some real talk, like vulnerable, unfiltered, real talk about 5MEO DMT, if you guys aren't familiar with my journey so far, I shared Experience that Enfold Institute, which is the home of Steve and his wife, Austin's 5MODMT intensive, the most comprehensive 5MODMT program on the planet. These two are world leaders. in facilitating educating and pioneering 5 MeO DMT as a medicine, [00:02:00] and I'm so grateful to know them, and I'm so grateful to have had my experience with them.
Expect to have your heart touched and your mind expanded and just feel overall inspired by this conversation and my journey. The whole intention behind us recording this episode was to honor this one year of integration. It's been about a year, a little over a year now, since I had my first experience, and we just wanted to touch base and check in about what this past year has been like for me. So I share all about that.
If you're new and you are not. Familiar with my journey with 5MEO DMT so far. Please just hit pause here and go back and listen to episode 79 where I shared about the entire experience and then episode 87 of Modern Psychedelics is where I shared a six month check in.
a six month check in of like, what's changed? How's integration going? What's going on so far? And if you loved this dynamic and this [00:03:00] conversation between Steve and I also check out episode 84 where we do a deep dive about Facebook. And then also episode eight is an old one, but a good one.
If you're completely new to the medicine and you want to learn more about it from Steve and I, and so I hope you enjoy this. It was such a joy, such a pleasure to fly out to Vancouver for the purpose of recording this episode for you guys. So I hope that you just receive how special of an episode this is.
And we actually recorded it. in the space where I had the ceremony just a year before. If you haven't checked out Enfold, their website is enfold.
edu. e n f o l d. org. Check that out. Follow them on Instagram. They're great. I'm going to leave it there. Please enjoy this episode and if you have any thoughts to share, either leave a comment down here in the Spotify comments or wherever you listen.
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So without a further ado. Enjoy this conversation with myself and Steve.
Speaker 6: We are here.
Speaker 7: We are here.
Speaker 6: We are here. We are here. Yes. Welcome back. Welcome [00:05:00] back to Enfold.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me. It feels so amazing to be back.
Speaker 6: I know. It's so nice to have you here. Yeah. What, um, what is it like being back in this space? It's,
Speaker 7: it's amazing. Yeah. It's such a special place. Like we were just talking about how you can, the plants are thriving on the good vibes in here.
Yeah. It's a really energetically clean space for me. So when I, whenever I come in here, I'm just like, and of course there's the memory attached of doing the work on the mat right there,
Speaker 6: right here. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 7: yeah. Opening up your eyes and seeing the light. Yeah. It's really, really something to be here.
Yeah.
Speaker 6: Cool. And so we, um, well, you were interested in doing this and we were interested in doing this because it's about almost exactly a year since you were here in your journey. And, um, I feel like at the end of every intensive, we always say to people, don't worry, this medicine is a process. It's going to keep unfolding.[00:06:00]
And a lot of people, I feel like don't really know what that means. And it's different for everyone, obviously, but you've definitely been through quite the process. Maybe we start there. I mean, how, if you had to just summarize it, I'm sure we'll get into lots of nooks and crannies of it, but like, is there a way to summarize the past year?
Speaker 7: The word that comes to mind is expansive. I feel like it's just been this massive, continuous expansion in every way. Um, Um, that was initiated by the medicine. Yeah. And in so many ways, like expanding past limiting beliefs, expanding beyond the blockages in the heart, expanding beyond like what I think is possible in business, in relationships, in life, it's kind of felt like a dream.
In some ways, there's been so many moments this year where I'm just like, wait. What's happening? As in, it feels surreal [00:07:00] to be alive a lot of the time. Like my gratitude for life. is just so present.
Speaker 6: That was such a big part of your ceremony.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. So much gratitude that has just like been there. And I think feeling it so much in the ceremony space, um, again, like it just triggered this process and this opening where that's kind of my default mode.
Like there's just a lot of gratitude and love. And I feel like every single day I think about how. Just lucky, I feel, to be alive and grateful for all the things that have happened to me. I get to experience and have and like share this experience of life with. Yeah. It's, it's been expansive in the heart space in that way.
Um, and then the other thing that I would say to summarize it is that it's been like surprising. [00:08:00] challenging. It's there's been like plot twists. Um, there's been a lot of, yeah, there was like moments of deep challenge. Yeah. Of like really facing limitations and like facing those old programs and working through them.
But I will say that the way that I've been able to work through them has changed significantly, which I'm sure we'll
Speaker 6: chat more about. I'm curious. You know, you've done iboga and you've come out of, you've obviously done ayahuasca and coming out of this experience, did you anticipate this kind of process to take place in the way it like it did or was, did that kind of take you by surprise or?
Speaker 7: It definitely took me by surprise. Yeah. I would say that this integration period has been the most like full on. I feel like every day when I woke up and got out of bed, it was like, okay, we're integrating, we're integrating. It's just been present and. Every [00:09:00] single aspect of my life and every moment and every facet because I think 5 MeO is so energetic, like way more energy based than any of the other medicines.
And I didn't anticipate that it would be this full on. I really didn't. My like call to 5 MeO was very like spontaneous. I think you and I had like a catch up call and I was talking to you and in that moment I was like. I think I want to do this. I think I'm ready. Like it's something I had been kind of like curious and contemplating.
And then it must've been something about like your energy and reconnecting with you and like reconnecting with Enfold. And I kind of just went into it. I didn't consume a lot of trip reports at all.
Speaker 6: Yeah. He came in pretty fresh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, which I think is such a great way to come in, but trip reports are great.
And I think it's so great what you guys are doing with the still in it podcast to give people a platform to share. But my rule is like, once I've decided to [00:10:00] do the medicine, no more trip reports. Like I think the trip reports are great for getting you to a point. So we're going to have a little bit of a trip report, um, with some other people, um, I
Speaker 6: don't know if you're going to be able to, to expand you and inspire you know, if
Speaker 7: you're ready or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But not to overdo that, right. Not to overdo it. Yeah. Because the trip reports, I think especially for five, but probably for all the medicine some way, obviously everyone's going to have their own experience with a medicine. So too many trip reports just start to confuse you. It's like this, Oh no, it's like this.
It's a five. I also feel like it's very rare that you experience five in the way we do it. So we always tell people like. Don't really listen to the internet because that's not what it's like.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, what you guys are doing is so different. What is being done here is like, it's five MEO, but it's not five MEO.
Like everything around the experience here is just so different than like, like if I were to come to unfold again, which I hope to and plan to one day when I'm ready, I wouldn't say like, Oh, I'm going to do five MEO. I [00:11:00] would say. Yeah. I'm going to have the end fold experience because there's like a whole experience around it that has been created that is just the, the more that I sat with the whole experience and went through the integration process, I can really see that doing this medicine in this way, in this place with these people, with this framing, it made the impact of the medicine as profound as it was.
That's my, that's my estimation. Yeah. At least. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And you know, also with your own work and everything that, like, I think we often start thinking I'm going to go do this medicine, but what you're actually doing is walking into someone else's energy and space. And it's, it's like, to me. All medicines, they have a profound impact and five does this whole energetic nervous system thing, which we'll talk about.
And you're, you're walking into the energy and the facilitation and the connections of what of the space you're in. Right. And that has a huge impact. So
Speaker 8: I think
Speaker 6: anytime you do any medicine, it's the [00:12:00] medicine and then it's what. Is the actual human interaction and connection and what are the nervous systems around you and what's the framework and all those components.
Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It's like the medicine plus you, how you're coming in, plus the container, which is the facilitators, the space, the framing and all of that. The medicine is like, I mean, if we're giving each part of that equal weight, like the medicine is a third of that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Right. There's so much that goes into transformational work beyond doing psychedelics.
And that's what, yeah, that's like what I'm passionate about sharing with people. But yeah, there's just so much more that goes into it. And I think the more we know about that, the more we can like prepare ourselves to have that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And the right medicines at the right time and really know how to evaluate the spaces we're coming into.
Right? Like you've done such a good job with your work, helping educate people about what to look for and what to think about, you know, and [00:13:00] that's what still in it is for. That's what all of our public facing stuff is for to just help educate and kind of, yeah. Um, rise the market up of people that are coming into this space to help them not come in so raw.
Cause a lot of people are just bouncing into some pretty wild experiences. Oh yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. People go into five, not even knowing what it is. Did
Speaker 6: you have any of those types of like early experiences where you didn't really know what you were seeking? And
Speaker 7: I'm such a chicken actually. Like I have like this.
psychedelics platform. And like, people think like, Oh, she must be like such a psychonaut that like does like huge hero doses. And like, I'm actually such a chicken. Like you saw me on the ceremony day. I was terrified. Like I still get terrified of expanding my consciousness and going into unknown states.
Like I'm not like this, like fearless psychedelic warrior that people might think that I am. And so I think because I'm such a chicken, it's kind of prevented me [00:14:00] from going into experiences blindly.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So I can't say that. I think like most of my forays into psychedelics have been very much like for specific reasons.
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So coming back to five, you came into this experience, you had a, I remember when you sat on the mat, you read, you had written, I think four or five intentions.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you were like, yeah, okay. Freedom.
Speaker 6: That's good. And. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I do think like some of those have, have been really relevant in your integration too.
So like a couple of. Yeah. Let's first, let's jump into nervous system work. Cause I think for you, you, that's a really pronounced aspect of what happened for you. And I think that's one of the different biggest differentiators with five, right? Is like what happens in the nervous system level. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
Like your nervous system, like externally looking, I was mentioning to Austin last night [00:15:00] after you went like, wow, your energy is so calm. Like it's so it's externally, you can really feel it,
Speaker 7: but
Speaker 6: I'm just curious. What's the internal. I
Speaker 7: feel that I had so much excess energy in my body and the 5MU experience allowed me to release it.
Like I had the full on somatic release in terms of tremors, shaking, screaming, like it was a massive energetic release for me. And so. Of course, immediately after the ceremony, you're just like, what the fuck just happened? I have no idea, but I've had like really a year to sit with it. And I think happened for me is that Um, release of energy was able to take place while I was completely defenseless.
And I love how you described it once, like it really stuck to me. You said five MEO allows people to five MEO allows the nervous [00:16:00] system and the body to just do what it wants. And I've been sitting with that so much this year, and I, I truly think that that's what's happening. Backstory about me is that I went through a war with my family in former Yugoslavia when I was six months old to about five.
And we weren't in an immediate war zone that entire time. But there's, So many of my needs as a child that were not met, um, which I don't blame my parents for, of course, it just was the way that it was. Um, and I'm sure there was tons of like, you know, bombs and bullets and noises and chaos. Deep energy of
Speaker 6: fear, that's like just seeping into this little tiny nervous system, right?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like the fear mixed with confusion, mixed with like, Um, Why am I not being cared for in the way that I need to be cared for? [00:17:00] And coming to Canada as immigrants, there was an aftershock of that where like, you know, parents are like trying to figure out how to make a living in a country where they don't speak a language.
And so I think for me, there was a lot of suppressed energy of fear. Yes. Um, unworthiness and like really questioning my worth. And like, whether I deserve to have what I want to have in life, because it was really hard for me to get what I wanted and what my heart desired. Yeah. So that energetic release was something that just needed to happen to clear that excess energy for me.
And the interesting thing that has. Unfolded for me this year is that, that reset, I had such an intuition that, okay, to meet all of my intentions and to really live the way that I want to live [00:18:00] my, Um, the main role in integration is to maintain that balanced nervous system. So one of the main messages for me was to just receive, just receive.
And I very intuitively understood that in order to receive, I just must have a nervous system and a body that is regulated because that's what makes me open to receive, right? When you're like all wound up and tight and you're holding on to excess energy, then like you're just, you're constricted and you're.
It's simple energy, right? It's energy. You're not open. And so the, the interesting thing about 5MEO is that the integration has been really hard, but in a lot of ways it's been really seamless and effortless because the nervous system relaxed and got that reset. All I had to do was maintain that. And actually the body over the last year has shifted its preferences.
So much. Wow. I sleep incredibly well now. Yeah. I sleep with no alarm , which I'm [00:19:00] lucky to do. Right. Given that I work for myself, I do not drink caffeine anymore. Yeah. And if I do, it's like once a week a matcha, um, that has been really helping. My sugar intake has gone down and this is all just like,
Speaker 6: it's almost like automatic, right?
It's like, yeah. The system just goes, oh, no, no, no. Thank you anymore.
Speaker 7: It's just too sensitive to it now. Yeah. And then of course it takes like, I have to be. Consciously aware of it and like make those decisions in the moment, but it's been a lot easier to make those decisions because I'm like, Oh, I actually, well, I think one of the things I said was like, I'm ready to live like this.
I'm ready to live open and relaxed. And so that's been integration on like that very like physical human level. There's not much like intensity and pushing and trying. It's like really just allowing myself to rest into being and trusting and knowing that that's enough, which [00:20:00] has been huge for me because I'm a core energy coach.
And so I coach energy and I'm literally coaching people into that space of being and trusting. And it's so cool to have this next level expansion into that myself because I have a deeper understanding of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So cool. Because as you explain that to people, the energy that is explaining it is coming from that place.
So the vibration of your coaching has changed I'm sure a lot. Oh
Speaker 7: yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: That's powerful. Oh, I was
Speaker 7: like fully booked in my practice at one point this year, which is the first time that that's happened and yeah, it's pretty, pretty profound to, yeah, show up to sessions in that way. Yeah. Just knowing that just, you know, My presence is enough to trust that, to trust that moment.
Yeah.
Speaker 6: It feels like in a lot of ways you've been stepping into a fuller version or a truer version of [00:21:00] yourself, you know, and, and you said something that was funny. You said like, I've been doing lots of non psychedelic integration things, you know, like getting into clothing or getting into just different lifestyle things.
And it was funny cause I think that's actually just finding out what, what What you love and being mindful and conscious of your life, you know, tell me a bit about that.
Speaker 7: A big part of that for me has been like actually Um, calling back these parts of myself that I abandoned because, you know, I didn't think they were like psychedelic or spiritual or meaningful or like You had
Speaker 6: yourself in some
Speaker 7: box, right?
Yeah. Totally. A box where I was wearing the costume, like literally wearing the costume and then figuratively wearing the costume. And I feel like this year I've just, oh my gosh, yeah, just allowed myself, like I've Transcribed by https: otter. ai I've spent so much time in my wardrobe this year. I've spent so much time in the kitchen this year.
Um, it's been [00:22:00] beautiful. It's been beautiful to just like let myself do what I actually want to do. I love, like I'm having such a thing right now with style and fashion and clothing and like curating and building the wardrobe that I want to build. And then people. People probably hear that. And I know I would have heard that years ago and been like, wow, that's really like a shallow and whatever.
And that's not meaningful. But I think, like, we're the ones who give meaning to anything. And so if it's meaningful to me, and I can make it meaningful, then it's something worth pursuing. Yeah. That's that inner orientation that you guys talk about. Like it's shifted towards that. And where the five MEO comes in with that is back to that, like gratitude for life.
There's such a sense of like, it's not that like time's running out and I'm afraid of death, but it's this feeling of, I really want to make the most out of every moment in every way.
Speaker 6: Yeah. [00:23:00] Like soak up the richness of life. Like that just sounds like creativity to me in an outlet for creativity.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Yeah. Creativity and expression and. Honestly, like self reflection, I've learned so much about myself and who I am through my journey with, with like clearing out and restocking my wardrobe this year. Like, it really takes having a hard look at yourself to really build, Something that is a reflection of you in any way, whether it's your wardrobe or a business or a relationship or a friendship.
Like your home
Speaker 6: or your, the way. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So it's been a lot of human stuff. Yeah. Human stuff. We like human stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. It's so interesting because we, a big part of the way we've always thought about our work is how like, Helping people understand that spirituality is actually just connection, connection to your life, connection to all aspects of your beingness.
Right. Like [00:24:00] in my, my journey with this medicine has been in some ways a reversion back to my teenage self in so many ways, in all the best ways. Like I'm actually much more mature than I've ever been and more confident and more. I would say like more a man, you know, like living a, being an adult. And I have this whole kid side to me that's back and music's a part of my life and dressing the way I want is a part of my life and just telling, like having fun and telling jokes and um, it's been such a joy to step back into the, Yeah.
Like it's, it really does feel a lot of stuff. Like I just gave up after being a teenager. I come into twenties and like, Oh, I got to be an adult now. And now I'm like, Oh no, you can still be an adult and enjoy what lights you up. You know, it's been super cool. I
Speaker 8: love
Speaker 6: that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So coming back to the nervous system thing, you, you, like, I remember your ceremony.
It was, I mean, you were so ready for this medicine. I think, you know, right from the very lightest dose, you went into full somatic [00:25:00] release. Effectively, your body was fully ready. I'm curious though, coming out and you said it's been, some parts have been rocky or challenging. I got to imagine that coming back to your life with a new nervous system, effectively, or kind of resetting and having to readjust.
What's that been like? What's been, what's been challenging about that or what's been easy about that? I don't know.
Speaker 7: The reason I actually came to 5MEO was because, um, because of that war trauma and all that energy pent up inside me, I was, like, incredibly sensitive to sounds and lights, like, would go into full on fight or flight mode if, like, a car drove by.
Um, and it had a really loud engine. I was living in this constant state of dysregulation and that was really my, my main call to 5 MeO because I think I already, I knew what the issue was, but no other medicines were able to, like, I actually got the answer from Iboga. Like when I was in my Iboga [00:26:00] ceremony, I asked, like, is my nervous system fried from, from the war and it was just like, yes,
Speaker 6: yes.
Speaker 7: But then it was, it didn't really like,
Speaker 6: I got the answer, but then it didn't, it doesn't actually do the nervous system thing. Yeah. Which is
Speaker 7: why I love, like, it's cool how the different medicines all work together.
Speaker 6: A hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Um, so that was like the main thing I came here for. And so, yeah, going back.
Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's such a big part.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I know
Speaker 6: you've been really, like you said, parts of your integration are just natural and easeful, but I know that also you were really conscious of not doing more big medicine sessions and you're really conscious of changing a bunch of lifestyle things up and keeping things slowed down a bit and
Speaker 7: really
Speaker 6: managing that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And not doing any medicine has been interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Because for about a five year [00:27:00] period, I was like, I was in it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. You were kind of like big journey every few months or something like that.
Speaker 7: For a while I was doing like ayahuasca ceremonies every month.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah. Kind of in that phase.
And then like,
Speaker 7: I did like Iboga, which was massive. And then I did like Shipibo ayahuasca six months later, which looking back on that, I'm like, that was crazy. Right. Yeah. Um, and then, yeah, after five MEO, I just. I haven't felt like sure there's been like recreational nights out and like recreational doses and stuff.
But, um, I feel that the Enfold experience just gave me so much to work with and integrate. And like, I'm like, honestly, still working with it. I have a medicine session planned for, um, Um, like March, April 2025. And even with that, I'm like, let's pencil it in.
Speaker 6: So that's like four months from now. That's
Speaker 7: four months from now.
And I'm like, let's pencil it in. But if we're like a month out and I'm not ready for it, I need to honor that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So not doing any more medicine has. [00:28:00]
Speaker 6: Yeah. There's also been a whole component, I think, for you of, of looking at limiting patterns and being in the mind. But how do those, how does your energetic experience translate into the way we think about it?
It's like there's nervous system and there's personality system and they're two different. There's a spiritual system as well, but the personality system is you're limiting beliefs and the way you show up and the way you think. Like, I think one thing this medicine does to maybe clarify is, Um, bring a level of clarity and awareness to certain aspects of your limiting beliefs that can be really confronting for people.
I think that's another thing that why people sometimes don't get as much out of this medicine as they'd like is that it's kind of like, Oh wow, I can really see myself. And it's a lot, you know, and you have to process a lot. So what's that been like kind of looking at all those limiting beliefs or looking at whatever, however language comes up for you there.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. I'm a coach. So like limiting beliefs is like what I eat, sleep, breathe all day, [00:29:00] every day for myself and my clients. So it's something that like, I call myself like an energy Ninja in that way, where it's like really easy for me to, to spot that out in myself and others. So I just want to preface my answer with that.
Right. That's That's kind of where I'm coming from. Like I've been working on the limiting beliefs and the stories and those like, you know, deep gremlins inside that unworthiness wound that I call for myself for many years. What five MEO did was it brought that to like, I think the highest possible level where it was just like, what are all of the ways that you are not coming from love?
And like, and I remember you said that when I was still here, I was like, Yeah, like, I just gotta keep living from this, like, flow of love in my heart. That's, that's what integration is going to be, but I don't know how to do that. And I remember you said to me, like, well, you just need to recognize all the ways you're not doing that.
And that really stuck with me. And I've been doing that. And I genuinely don't think that [00:30:00] there are many moments where. Um, things get by me anymore where I don't notice like, Oh, there's an energetic misalignment from love in this moment where I'm not showing up as that person who is living from her heart.
Another major thing that 5meo unlocked for me was the power of heart. centered living and just allowing all of all of the things in my life to flow as freely as love can when my heart is unlocked and when my heart is unblocked. And I've, Um, my integration areas have actually been like business and finance, which was one of my main intentions, um, around abundance and, um, you know,
Speaker 6: being worthy of money struggles to be honest.
Yeah. Being worthy of money.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And so the way that that looks in the everyday is catching myself when I'm actually closing myself off from [00:31:00] receiving money, receiving clients, receiving partnerships, receiving opportunities that can be expansive in some way that might lead to money in the future.
And you know, I'm talking about money right now, but it's all so connected.
Speaker 6: I know. It all, it often feels kind of like. It's kind of weird to be talking about money, but money is a beautiful symbol of, do I allow energy in?
Speaker 7: It's energy. Money is energy. Do I
Speaker 6: welcome energy and do I welcome in worthiness? Do I welcome in valuing myself?
Do I welcome in like honoring my time? All of those things, that's all attached, right?
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. And the ways that I make money and the ways that I want to make money. And like, if we think about it, money is an exchange for our time and our energy.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 7: Right. And so I want to exchange my energy in love and to receive the other exchange in love, like receive the money with love.
Yeah. Yeah. So it's been really interesting. Like another area, I came here. to work on was my relationship with my dad, [00:32:00] which has been wow. Just a really interesting one. I've talked about it a ton on my podcasts. Like people who listened to my podcast just know that I've been working on this for a long time.
The
Speaker 6: dad issues podcast.
Speaker 7: If I had a
Speaker 6: podcast, I'd probably be in all those camps. My
Speaker 7: dad even listens to my podcast and yeah. And he, he, uh, I'm sure he's heard. He's heard me talk about it before. Um, Huh. My relationship with him is one that I have been, it's, it's really changed. Like, there's been a massive shift in the way that him and I relate to each other this year after five.
The first thing I did when I came home from the retreat when I saw my dad was, I was in tears. because I was so raw from the experience. Like I couldn't stop crying for a week, basically. I was just like, Oh, I have a client call. Okay. Wipe the tears, clean it up. It was just, it was so beautiful and it opened [00:33:00] me up so much.
And I was raw from that. And the first thing I did when I saw my dad was like, I was crying. I went up to him and I hugged him and I said, dad, I. I don't want to fight with you anymore. I really don't. And even like just the vulnerability that it takes to say that and to connect with him in that way, when him and I didn't have that rapport, like it's almost like awkward in a way to like be vulnerable and loving with a parent who you're not connected with in that way.
Um, Um, and I'm not going to sit here and lie and say that I haven't had any arguments with my father this year because I have. But there's been like three,
Speaker 6: I guess there's also been a deeper level of humanity in the relationship in general or after those arguments or,
Speaker 8: you know, like in
Speaker 6: general, it's not, it's not the same.
You're feeling more connected to him even when you're arguing, you know, like. Yeah.
Speaker 7: It [00:34:00] resolves way quicker.
Speaker 6: Exactly, yeah. He
Speaker 7: shows up differently. He apologized to me for something a couple months ago for the first time, like, ever.
Speaker 6: It's always amazing to me how much the people around us change when we give them the space to do that.
They get to do the work with us without having to do the work.
Speaker 7: Exactly. I know. I always talk about this. I'm like, it's easy to blame other people for relationship dynamics, but like we hold so much power in changing relationships. Cause when we change ourselves, we change the way that we show up. And when we change the way that we show up, we give.
the other person an opportunity to also change the way that we show up. So I've seen that very clearly. Um, I have so much love in my heart for my dad now that like, wow, like it wasn't there before. Like, I honestly had a hard time, like truly feeling love for my dad. And my, my clear intention with 5MEO for that was like, help me to release the anger that I feel.
And like, I [00:35:00] I really feel like that's gone. And because that's gone and I've cleared that energy, like, I can really access love for him. And yeah, it's been beautiful. And I'm crying now.
Speaker 6: That's amazing though. And like, I would suggest that that love's always been there, but that anger was like a box that it was in, you know, and, and part of when people talk about, like you talk about, I had to excess energy in me.
I had to release this energy. Part of that energy was actually love. That's been suppressed for a long time. It's all the different energies that have been, we've been holding like this. And. We need to be letting these things flow.
Speaker 7: Well, this is why I think like the IFS that you guys, the internal family systems work that you guys infuse into Enfold is so amazing because I think like that universal love energy that 5MEO connects us with is, you know, our true state, our true selves.
Um, and in [00:36:00] IFS, they call it the self energy. Um, and that's something that cannot be destroyed. It cannot go away. It's always there. It's always present and it's in all of us. And so all of the human stuff creates this fog between. Who we truly are, which is that unconditional, infinite love and, you know, our human self.
And so, yeah, it's been, it's been a journey of just living from that place, honestly.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I love that. I
Speaker 7: think that's like how I would summarize it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I mean, it's, to me, it's been really evident externally, like seeing your journey and also just hearing you say, yeah, and a lot of facing my limiting patterns and coming up against those and being really comfortable with that, with the, like you said, the gremlins at like, I think a lot of people think that it's supposed to be just blissful and easy and I'm just going to be connected to love all the time.
Well, it's not. That's not [00:37:00] how it works. Yeah, no, , we have deeply ODed habits. Mm-hmm . That are gonna continually come up. And the work is actually just being aware of those, loving that that's there and working through it and allow, you know, continually coming back. Continually coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 7: yeah, yeah.
It's like that love is the anchor, but then we're still human, right? Yeah. And we still, you know, like sometimes I'm fully in my ego, like a hundred percent with all the fashion stuff and it's like, oh, I'm fully in my ego right now, like fully, and that's okay. You can consciously choose to be in your ego because I just think of ego as like your human personality.
Yeah. It's the part
Speaker 6: of you that gets to enjoy the duality of life as well. It's so funny. I can be in an argument with, with Austin or something. We can be in like a little tiff and I can like, part of me is, My ego is like, wait, you guys argue,
Speaker 7: wait, you're not perfect.
Speaker 6: But like we'll be in a little thing and half of me will be caught in my ego arguing and the other half of me will be going,
Speaker 7: [00:38:00] yeah,
Speaker 6: look at what you're doing.
Like, this is so silly. Yeah. It's just really interesting to have that level of awareness and how, but it just gives you this opportunity to come back so quickly. Yeah. And the goal is just to continually Yeah. We have to get to that point where we can actually track and dismantle that bullshit before it even happens.
And sometimes it's just going to happen because humans are humans, we get tired, we get stressed, right? Like
Speaker 7: sometimes we don't sleep, we don't get enough nourishment, too much
Speaker 6: going on and we just don't have the bandwidth at that moment to relax enough.
Speaker 7: Yeah. As you're, as you're talking, what's coming to me is it's like a tether to love is strengthened.
With this medicine, like it, it's like you're always tethered to it and you're much closer to it and you can see it much more clearly. Yeah.
Speaker 6: People that have the hardest journeys with this medicine, it's because they're resisting love the hardest. Like they have the most, you know, their ego has the most to lose or is worried that much.
And that's what the hard trip is. The hard trip is the pain and the [00:39:00] darkness and the tension of. Not allowing that love to flow through them and to feel that love from within them.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. I like, I worked through so much of the pain and darkness before 5 MEO, which is probably why I had the experience that I did.
I feel like that's important to mention for people. Yeah. Cause everyone's experience is so incredibly different. And I imagine if I came to 5 MEO three years ago, You know, it would have been a completely different experience where it
Speaker 6: probably would have been a
Speaker 7: lot
Speaker 6: darker. It's interesting because, you know, I'd say about 20 percent of folks that come to see us haven't worked with psychedelics before, but they've done enough inner work, spiritual work, therapy.
They've done the gremlin research so that they can actually work through that. I'm using your term now. So it's just gremlins now.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Um, but. I do think, particularly iboga and ibogaine is an [00:40:00] incredible combination of doing that medicine about, I would say about anywhere from 6 to 12 months before coming to see us.
Every time that we've worked with somebody who's gone through that, it's always this remarkable It's, it's a really powerful thing. Like it's, people just get way more out of this medicine if they've done that medicine.
Speaker 7: I saw an article on the internet that said, it was like, could Iboga plus 5 MeO DMT be the one two punch of psychedelics, which I thought was really clever.
Speaker 6: But I, I actually kind of think that's true. Yeah. Like, I do think that there's certain things that Iboga does and Ibogaine do that nothing else does. And then 5 MeO to me is in its own category entirely, but the two, the combination of those two is like, it's undeniable from where I sit. It's undeniable, especially when there's some space.
Like, I know a lot of people are serving Ibogaine and then serving 5 like a day or two later. I know. Which to me, like I get the instinct and I, we've had a number of [00:41:00] people who did Ibogaine clinics and came to see us after because the 5 MEO is almost like an afterthought. It's like, Hey, like take this vitamin C today to make you feel better.
Instead it's 5 MEO and it's kind of like, it's not really considered properly and a lot of people feel like, Oh, I feel like I opened a door, but I didn't close it. I didn't finish. It just started this whole other thing I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 7: I'm just imagining like the nervousness. Like, especially if you go through like a huge Yeah.
Speaker 6: And
Speaker 7: then coming out of that and then just like doing, you know, I did an episode on Iboga versus 5 MeO DMT cause there's such opposites, right? But it's like, I always think of the yin and yang.
Speaker 8: Yeah. They're
Speaker 7: like the yin and yang of psychedelics to me.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Complete opposites. But together they create the whole, the whole [00:42:00] picture of what it means to be human.
Yeah. But I
Speaker 6: think having like a few months at least to process. Um, if we think of, I kind of think of iboga as the dark part of the yin yang. The psyche. Yeah. The psyche. It's more shadow work. It's more really rooting that up. And I guess that I, I think it's important to be able to have time to sit with that before you try and like, I think the idea when people do both back to back is, Oh, let's do the dark work, but then let's just flush it out with 5 MeO.
And I think that's underestimating what 5 MeO is really doing in some ways too. That's interesting that the one, two punch of psychedelics. I actually think that's. That feels right to me. And I think that it's not, all the other medicines contribute, like your whole journey has been working with mushrooms, working I'm sure with, you know, different medicines to elevate and get to a place where Iboga was time and 5 MeO was time.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It's kind of like everything's been preparing. It's like mushrooms prepared me for ayahuasca, ayahuasca prepared me [00:43:00] for Iboga, Iboga prepared me for 5 MeO. 100%. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I want to come back to something though around, um, The integration side, because I'm just curious, what, you know, what supports did you feel like were most important to you going through the integration?
Because I think it's important that people know integration is really intense and can be quite dysregulating. This medicine being at the peak of the pyramid, as we were just talking about, means that it's the most dysregulating medicine. Um, what, what do you feel like were the, Practices are safeguards or supports that you had in place.
That when that dysregulation felt like it was tumbling over you, like what kept you So, um,
Speaker 7: what kept you clear and
Speaker 6: what kept you tethered?
Speaker 7: Well, at the beginning, um, the, the beginning as in the first one to three months, it looks very different than after that. I would say that there was a lot more intentional practice in the first one to three months, especially that [00:44:00] first month, um, the meditation, the intuitive movement and stretching and just like being with the body, the journaling.
And I would say like being in nature, um, nature has just been like my biggest thing. this year. I've been out on more walks this year than ever before. Just like getting outside, breathing fresh air, um, is so calming and regulating to me. Um, so I would say like that's been like my biggest tool, so to speak.
Um, yeah. There's been times where like I had to reach out to you and that was always like in a moment of like, yeah, that was always in a moment of, you know, it's, it's like SOS. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's been a few times of reaching out that were incredibly helpful. And sometimes just whether it's like you or a coach or a therapist, like just like reaching out to someone and having someone just like see [00:45:00] you and just like be that mirror for you.
And just let you know that it's okay. It's normal. And like, also look at how far you've already come and just like, pause, slow down. It's okay. That's incredibly, incredibly helpful. I've also just like, this started happening after Eboga, I would say, but even more with 5 MeO, I feel like I've like completely released trying to be some like wellness superstar person who does all All the things I currently don't have a morning routine, which is probably crazy to some people.
My morning routine now is to sleep in until my body naturally wants to wake up. And I have found that like sleep is Everything. Like, I would rather let my body sleep than wake up early so that I have time to do a meditation or a breathwork session or a journaling session or whatever. For me, that seems to be really working.
Like I can just sleep and rest and [00:46:00] it's all, Just me trusting the body and allowing the body, the nervous system, the somatics to just do what they want to do, which I feel like is such an integration of the ceremony. A hundred percent.
Speaker 6: The best way to think about integration is to do things slowly or do slow things.
If you just remember that, then you're good. But, but the morning routine thing is funny because it came up on our community call last week or earlier this week and the topic was self love. And I just started talking about the fact that part of my self love is remembering that I am nature. Like remembering that and nature isn't.
a static state all the time. And nature isn't exactly the same every day. And nature, you know, and, and we go through cycles and we go through phases. Nature moves slow. And sometimes nature moves slow and sometimes it moves fast. And some, I go through a few months where I love to wake up early and do a bunch of things in the morning.
Yes. And other times, I don't do anything. I just wake up and roll out of bed [00:47:00] and drink a cup of decaf coffee and start typing because that's what I feel like doing or go for a quick walk or something short.
Speaker 7: And then that voice is like, how could you just like wake up and get right into work, right?
Speaker 6: I've let that go.
Good
Speaker 7: for you.
Speaker 6: I've let that go because I think we need to honor Our natural cycles. And I think there's certain things that we should be rigorous about and disciplined about, but not everything.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It's kind of that like, um, bio hacking bro approach to life where it's just like being very regimented.
And I've been through that. Like I've been into wellness and personal growth for. Like, I've been through so many morning routines, and oh my gosh, it feels like such a relief to just let that all go. And know that, Like, just resting is enough.
Speaker 6: Resting is a practice.
Speaker 7: Resting is enough. I rest so much. Like I actually watch so much TV with the intention of [00:48:00] resting.
And then I'll have some weekends where I'm like out in Toronto all weekend with my friends dancing and staying up late and doing all the things. But it's about honoring the cycles for women, especially we have a 28 day cycle and there's Parts of that cycle where we have more energy and more creativity and more flow, and there's parts of that cycle where we don't.
So, yeah, I would say that this integration period has been, yeah, a moment of like really honoring and tuning into that. And then, okay, yeah, there's, there's the limiting beliefs part, like identifying. What the mind is saying to me in that moment. Cause I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing. What's the story.
Yeah. Yeah. What's the story. I'll never be successful. All the successful people in the world, like wake up at 6am and do the things and, you know, like letting that go. And just, yeah. Like it just goes back into resting into being truly. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you mentioning like, you [00:49:00] know, reaching out to people.
And this is something we always tell everybody that comes to see us is reach out anytime, but people like you said, or sometimes you're nervous to reach out, but I feel like staying tethered to. Folks is really important. Mm-hmm . And I also think that I, I just always like to say this, that if you're gonna go seek a big medicine experience, seek it with people that are willing to support you afterwards.
Mm-hmm . We help a lot of people who reach out to us about, who've had five experiences elsewhere, who just Yeah. Get ghosted. Right. Um
Speaker 8: mm-hmm .
Speaker 6: And then you've also been to a lot of the community calls, like, I'm curious what that experience is like or how that contributes to things.
Speaker 7: I find it's such an important way to stay connected to the impact of the medicine.
Um, I love this medicine so much. I really, really do. And I'm so excited about it. And I'm so grateful to be connected to you, who you and Austin, who are just like world leaders in this medicine and to be learning from you and sharing about it with you. And so the community calls for me [00:50:00] are a way to. Stay connected to that medicine because I definitely don't think that my work with it is done And I think that it's gonna be a beautiful Relationship, and I've already received so much from it, and I can't wait to see what more there is to explore But I'm also like horrified Going in again Which apparently is very common people are more scared of the second than the first experience.
I think so I think the second
Speaker 6: is just a different End And I, and I wonder if after that it, it sort of levels out a little bit, but second time is a big one. Okay. And partially you don't know what you don't know the first time you go in. And the second time you think you know what you don't know, or you think you know what you know, like there's a lot of second guessing or thinking, is it going to be like the last time?
There's, it's really hard to let go of the expectation of it's going to be like that. Yeah. The first time or the second time. What advice would you give to someone who is either considering 5 MEO or, [00:51:00] um, preparing, you know, like in that early stage?
Speaker 7: Take it seriously.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Take it seriously. Cause this really has the potential to change the entire direction of your life.
And the nuance in that is that. Actually, your life might look the exact same as it always has been, but you are so transformed and different. And then over time, those outer things will start falling into place to match the energetic and inner shift that has been created. And again, like in the work that I do as a coach and even facilitating now, it's like all about creating those inner shifts.
But half of that work, I think, is. trusting and knowing that those inner shifts will just allow everything to fall into place in your life. Like, I feel like I have a sticky note on my computer right now that says things are falling into place. Like, I think we talked about that [00:52:00] last time when we chatted on the phone, it's like, it literally just feels like things are just like,
Speaker 8: just
Speaker 7: like kind of, everything's just lining up and all I have to do is stay regulated.
So I'm taking it seriously. And going into it with not an expectation, but knowing that you're going to get out of it what you put into it. And I would say just like making space for serious integration and making space for space, making space to just like be and to be with yourself and to get to know the new energetic frequency that you have.
I
Speaker 6: feel like that's one of the underlying lessons. I feel like in the way you've spoken about your integration for folks is coming out. You know, you said for a week, it just. There was, you just wanted to cry every day. And uh. I'm sure there's been lots of different iterations of [00:53:00] that kind of just natural energy flow that you get into.
You start to realize this is the natural me, how I, how I move, what needs to move. And it's more acute at the beginning and it becomes more leveled out as you move on. But, um, Um, that to me is a really important lesson I think also is it's not, you're not broken if you feel more emotional. In fact, that's the gift of this experience and, um, to honor that and to welcome that and not to feel like you need to suppress that or be normal again, because actually you're trying to get away from that normal box you're in, which to me is like just getting back to your actual true self and your energetic self.
Lastly, I feel like you've. So you've now stepped into some different aspects of work and I, and we were talking earlier about some of what you've stepped into feels like a direct result of the shifts in your nervous system.
Speaker 7: You want
Speaker 6: to talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 7: Yeah. So, uh, so [00:54:00] like most people who do medicine work, I felt very called early on to, uh, Be on the other side.
Yeah. Right. Serve medicine and to do that. And, um, especially the first year of like drinking ayahuasca, it was like, I just want to be up there, you know, I just, I want to be over there. And, I realized at some point that I was not ready for that. And it was coming from a place of being so uninformed of what it takes to be on the other side.
Like, it's truly been like the hero's journey framework. Like, it's truly like there was the call and then I realized how hard it would be and how much work goes into it. And then there's like the refusal of the call and like questioning it and being like, I don't, No, actually. Like, do I really want to give up my whole entire life?
Or like, really, not give up my whole entire life, because you get a new sense of life with doing this work, [00:55:00] but am I ready for my life to revolve around being that, being in that role? And especially seeing like how you guys work here and like just knowing how much your life revolves around the work that you do.
Like it's truly like it's service work, right? And so there was the refusal of the call. And then after 5meo, I felt very strongly, intuitively coming from the self, not coming from the ego. Like it felt like such a clear line in the sand for me of. No, you're actually ready now to start holding space for people in this way.
And so the missing piece of that really was, um, the nervous system piece because you can't hold space for someone to crack open in a big way and to sit with them in their discomfort and their darkness. And even in [00:56:00] their bliss and their joy, if you are not. Tethered to yourself and relaxed and non reactive and seeing how you and Austin work in a very non dogmatic, clear, gentle way.
really inspired me to see that like, Oh, I actually don't have to like, be some like neo shaman person or even necessarily carry a lineage. Um, for so long, I thought, you know, to be a facilitator, I have to carry a lineage. A lineage. And it was so amazing to meet five MEO that doesn't really have a lineage, but then to see, wow, how effective and direct it can be and like how powerful it is to, uh, create such an intentional clear space to do that work.
So. And that expanded me into seeing that actually I do have everything that I need to be able to do [00:57:00] this. And so, yeah, now, now we are answering the call, stepping into it very slowly. This last year I've started facilitating first with, um, like a co facilitator and I've recently just started holding private ceremonies for people and yeah, I, I just had one a few days before I came here and there was a moment where my client was just really deep in it.
The headphones on, eye mask on, and I was literally just holding the space. And I just had this moment of like, wow, holy fuck, I'm doing it. This
Speaker 6: is happening. This is
Speaker 7: happening. And it just felt like it didn't feel, um, charged. It was just like, this is what I'm doing and it feels right. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I was ready after Iboga, but I
Speaker 8: wasn't.
Speaker 7: I was ready, like psychologically I was ready, um, as in I had done my healing work and I [00:58:00] would probably not be like triggered and I had the coaching background to step into it, but my nervous system was not ready. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I love, people ask a lot, what does it mean to be, um, good as a facilitator or like to lead this kind of work?
And to me, the most unteachable thing is, is your nervous system in good shape? Are you, and part of that is self care and taking care of yourself, but part of it is the work that it takes to get to a place where you're regulated.
Speaker 8: And,
Speaker 6: and not that I'm always regulated. No one is, but that when it comes to it, you're regulated.
And um, so part of that to me is like all the work that, that leads up to, to, you know, to, to being in that place. And then after that, it's, I think of it as, um, the same way, um, um, LeBron James or something has to train, um, uh, Yeah. And they're doing it all the time just so that for 90 minutes or I don't know how long basketball games are.
I'm using basketball analogy, but [00:59:00] I have no idea. But I don't know. Just for that amount of time when they get on the court, everything is dialed, right? Yes. Yes. Their, their, their peak performance for that amount of time. And what you don't see is like the other 95 percent of their time, which is training and resting.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Crap. And similar to what you said, like this is a lifestyle that you step into. I think to do it at a high level is stepping into a lifestyle where you, all of your personal choices about what you put in your body, how you spend your time, how you expend your energy, all those things. The
Speaker 7: side quest,
Speaker 6: Yeah. All the side quest. Yeah. The side quest you're talking about , like all of that
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Plays into when you show up. Um, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Essentially, our clients are paying us to stay regulated and calm and non reactive to hold space for them. That's kind of how I think of it. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also love that you said when you were first doing ayahuasca, you're like, I want to be up there.
And I think for a lot of people, it's actually one of the most [01:00:00] easy ways for the ego to be like, okay. I don't need to do this work. I should be up there or it's a way of deflecting. It's a way of being like, I don't need this. You need this or whatever. And right. And switching it up. And I see so many people do ayahuasca or do something like that once or twice and go, yeah, I'm now leading that because it's a way of saying, okay, I don't have any work to do.
And then you realize like everyone has work to do, but there's a, there's a funny flip that happens for a lot of people. So I love that you mentioned that and that you've now reached a point where it's not coming from you. It's just now is the time now I've actually reached that place where I can serve in a sort of clear way.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: And there was so much resistance to it this year. Yeah. Like, cause knowing you in Austin more deeply now, I'm like, I really, I feel like I see behind the scenes a little bit of like what it takes to do this work. And I mean, I only aspire to be as skilled and amazing as you two are in doing what you do one day.
And like, definitely see you both as mentors and teachers in the [01:01:00] realm of art. Facilitation and so many other things. But yeah, just like seeing the behind the scenes of what that takes and the sacrifices made. I mean, that to me was such a wake up call of like, are you really ? Sure , that you wanna do this?
Yeah. Yeah. So we're stepping into it very, very slowly. That's what I was say. I think
Speaker 6: that's really lovely the way you're stepping into it. That's how we did too. It, it started as, there's a calling here actually, the land. This land told us that we were doing this. And it's, it evolved and, but it didn't start with, Oh, we're building a thing and it's, we're going to call it this.
And here's how many, we had no plan for better part of three or four years. We agreed that we are not making a plan. We are just following this. It's a trickle. And then it turns into a flow and then it turns into a river. Um, but to treat it naturally, what you've
Speaker 7: created,
Speaker 6: like what is, what the universe is calling us into, you know?
Um, I love that. And then you spoke lastly just about, um, [01:02:00] the clear container component of it and realizing you don't need to be like bring shamanic elements and, and I, I find, I feel like, you know, there's certain medicines that do have lineage and that they can be honored in a certain way or should be, or I don't know what the right term is.
And Um, there's also something like when I think about mushrooms, when I think about, uh, MDMA, when I think about five, when I think about a lot of the substances, there's also no one lineage. There's, I mean, mushrooms have been around for 10, 000 years and been used by almost every culture on earth. Um, so to me, there's a lot of opportunity to find.
What your flavor is and be really authentic to who you are. Because I think honestly the more authentic we are to who we are, the more we transmit to others and the more we offer. And and like, Um, to me, my vision for this space is always that there are thousands of people doing it in their way that creates the perfect [01:03:00] little niche for your, the people that resonate with you.
Right. Yeah. As opposed to, and not pretending you're something else at all. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 7: Yeah. No, that's what I love about Enfold. I feel like it is a direct extension of who you and Austin are. Yeah. Yeah. Like every little detail is an expression of one or both of your gifts and talents. Like it's just like, to me, Enfold is an expression of 5MO.
It's like an expression of the highest state of consciousness and being, and I, I, I feel the presence and the inspiration of the medicine behind every detail here. Right. Like it's, it I don't know. I was just so inspired by you both in just like a facilitation perspective, um, with like what you've created and how much, like you've truly created it from nothing, from, from [01:04:00] yourselves.
Yeah. Not from nothing, from, from who you are. Like it's truly come from you and through you and it's just, yeah, just incredible. Yeah. It's funny.
Speaker 6: You were talking about lineage and you're right. Five doesn't really have a traditional lineage, so, so in some ways we've been talking about what it is. Yeah.
What we're doing here is Developing a lineage for it, but as you're speaking the words that came to mind and they just like, these aren't my words, they just, it's like, Oh no, it's the universal lineage of love.
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly. That's
Speaker 6: what we're teaching or that's what's coming through us. That's what we tapped into.
So there is a lineage there. I completely agree. Just kind of allowing it to unfold.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And you're, you're doing a dance with it. You're trying to understand it. You're channeling it. You're expressing it in the physical realm. Yeah. That totally checks out to me. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Is there anything we haven't covered?
I feel like we've talked about a lot.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Any questions or anything that comes to mind for you?
Speaker 7: No. Um, if I want to just say some [01:05:00] last words, um, let's see. Yeah. I mean, I'm just so, so, so grateful to have had this experience and to have met you and Austin and just this land also. And.
Speaker 6: Wow. Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think that. What you guys are doing is incredible and grounded and human and Just yeah, it's it's a beautiful thing. It is a beautiful beautiful thing I'm just like looking around at the space right now. And yeah Yeah, I think that You guys are definitely leading something really special here. And yeah, I hope that you continue to do it
Speaker 6: I appreciate that Lana.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and
Speaker 6: I'll say too that Uh, when we first started talking about collaborating in the way we have, which has been very organic, you know, it's not like there's, but it, it's the only time we've ever done something like this. And it's because I think you've been so authentic in how you talk about your own journey and [01:06:00] so educational and so helpful to people.
And um, to me it's like your coaching work and the way that has, just blossomed in the last couple years. And now stepping into the facilitation work you're doing to me, it's like right on time. It's perfect. And it's like a really beautiful gift.
Speaker 7: Thank you
Speaker 6: so much.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Thank you so much. And thank you to everyone who's yeah.
Part of the community and that makes unfold what it is. Yeah. Thank you. A big part of it. Yeah. Thanks
Speaker 6: for being here.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much. I'm sad that this is over. It's been so fun. I know. Let's do 20 more. Let's do part two. But so much for being here. Thank you. It's such a pleasure. Yeah.
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